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Nokia N73 vs SE K800i which is better? |
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On 2006-11-05 16:17:58, bavlondon2 wrote:
This argument is going to go on forever.
Nokia sucks.................................. End of story.
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Beautiful way of ending it! |
SloopJohnB
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I´m really sad some people ended up insulting me here, i didnt expect that honestly but I believe that when u no longer have arguments to defend a point a view sadly u try and attack the person instead of the subject.
I mentioned other reviews which i found objective before because i didnt want my personal opinions to affect my judgement. No, i dont have a N73 or k800 but i have used and played with both and i know people who have them, i just didnt think their private impressions would fit here. My repetitive posts were an attempt for this thread to come to a consesus based on objective terms, one that all can accept so we can finally have an answer. I didnt want this discussion to end up with subjective impressions, empty arguments, rubbish jokes or insults but sadly thats what happened and what usually happens here in esato when one tries to compare a  phone. |
Trentors
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I am sorry you feel insulted. But the repetitive tone in your posts makes it difficult not to get upset with you. Sure the last couple of posts have been quite lame but we are still some who finds this discussion interesting. But to keep it objective we need some feedback from users that have intensively tried the phones instead of getting information from Nokia and SE homepages alone.
I don’t think a review is objective when it claims that the N73 can show more information on its screen. Come on. Look at the specs. It can be settled even without hands-on experience due to plain simple logic and the fact that both phones have the same resolution. In a serious discussion it ruins everything just as much as stupid one-liners and insults.
If you want to be objective then BE OBJECTIVE. You are very keen on making the N73 a given winner and quite frankly it is not. Look at my previous post and see some points where it really has some shortcomings.
Sure it beats the crap out of K800 on several issues. But not everything and then the mud throwing starts because some people want it to be best at everything. But things like the screen and camera is not where it wins if you make a decent and thorough look at it. Sure at a very quick look the N73 wins: It has a larger screen and the pictures look better. BUT K800 screen is sharper and the contrast is higher, and the K800 camera takes more natural pictures without artificial post processing to satisfy the masses who doesn’t know better. If you want to raise the level of this thread – put some more depth to it.
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| Trentors: You are very keen on making the N73 a given winner and quite frankly it is not. Look at my previous post and see some points where it really has some shortcomings. |
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I think it is the other way round. N73 specs-wise beats the K800 and that's a FACT. For those who root for N73, they have the higher ground and there is no need to do much but sit and watch how the other side foolishly charge up the hill (a.k.a arguing AGAINST FACT  ) by bringing subjective and filmsy reasons such as:-
- "I dont need N73 functions so K800 is better"
- "I dont like N73 photo vividness so K800 is better"
- "I prefer smaller screen of K800 so K800 is better"
- "I read someone said N73 crashed so K800 must be the better"
and so on and on.
I think K800 fans are the ones that beat around the bush. If they only bring up filmsy reasons like above in their argument I think it is too much to expect the opponent to just "accept" them without protest. It would be the more rational that SE fans just bite the bullet and concede that N73 is the OVERALL BETTER phone in terms of technical specs.
Here I like to clarify that "better" doesnt mean "winner/successful". So SE fans may want to consider debate from another perspective like phone sales, popularity, design, fault rate or price.
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| Trentors: You are very keen on making the N73 a given winner and quite frankly it is not. Look at my previous post and see some points where it really has some shortcomings. |
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I think it is the other way round. N73 specs-wise beats the K800 and that's a FACT. For those who root for N73, they have the higher ground and there is no need to do much but sit and watch how the other side foolishly charge up the hill (a.k.a arguing AGAINST FACT ) by bringing subjective and filmsy reasons such as:-
- "I dont need N73 functions so K800 is better"
- "I dont like N73 photo vividness so K800 is better"
- "I prefer smaller screen of K800 so K800 is better"
- "I read someone said N73 crashed so K800 must be the better"
and so on and on.
I think K800 fans are the ones that beat around the bush. If they only bring up filmsy reasons like above in their argument I think it is too much to expect the opponent to just "accept" them without protest. It would be the more rational that SE fans just bite the bullet and concede that N73 is the OVERALL BETTER phone in terms of technical specs.
Here I like to clarify that "better" doesnt mean "winner/successful". So SE fans may want to consider debate from another perspective like phone sales, popularity, design, fault rate or price.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2006-11-06 02:24 ]
how can you say k800 fanboys when you are the blindest nokia fanboy ive seen...I think that which phone is better depends to each one needs because which camera is better it is a subjective matter...because I prefer a real coloured pic that a pic that is more "vivid" but where the colours ar not real but may be you not. For ME it is better a phone which is faster that has all features I need rather than one which slower but has tons of features that I dont used...for example I had M600 that had much more fetures that my K790 but the wre not useful for me so for MY need K800 is BETTER than N73
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SloopJohnB
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subjective again...
n73´s screen displays more info mainly because of symbian os, add that to a larger screen and with less pixelated info and u will have more info being displayed when in comparison to k800. I guess i read good reviews about n73´s screen and overall functions on gsmarena. Have a look.
Like mentioned above n73 is an 'overall' better phone, no phone is perfect or totally superior to every other phone in every single way. Lets be reasonable. |
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For ME it is better a phone... I had M600 that had much more fetures that my K790 but the wre not useful for me so for MY need K800 is BETTER than N73 |
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Here you go again. I dont think anybody wants to know what YOU like or that you prefer a smaller screen etc. Different people have different needs. To be useful and objective, K800 vs N73 should be based on known facts without bringing in personal preferences. And OVERALL N73 is better than K800 based on the following FACTS:-
- N73 has stereo speakers. K800 dont.
- N73 has much bigger screen (40% bigger in terms of physical area)
- N73 has much better video rec than K800.
- N73 has bigger size and much cheaper memory card support
- N73 has better picture (according to public survey in M-R)
- N73 has better PIMs like unlimited phonebook, calendar and of course the very useful active today screen.
- N73 has independent voice dialing. K800 is still using voice tags.
- N73 has better blog system which automatic log your activities like sms, image/video taking, notes & calendar entries and later allow you to sync to your PC/blog. K800 blog is very rudimentary compared to this.
- N73 has Nokia mobile-search - customised yellow pages capability. K800 dont have this.
- N73 has PTT and EDGE support (K800 dont have this)
- N73 has much better multi-tasking (you can have any apps opened instead being restricted to java in K800)
- N73 has much better document handling capability (office docs, flash and pdf). K800 dont even come close.
- N73 has a much better web-browser
- N73 has better gallery/image viewer (slideshow with music) and album support (instead of folder based)
- N73 has better profile system incl. going to offline/music mode without rebooting.
- N73 has much better theme system - you can change most of the UI unlike K800 which is restricted to certain aspect like wallpaper.
- N73 has unlimited sms storage
- N73 has support for 3rd party Symbian apps
- N73 has better and more games and emulators support
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SloopJohnB
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mib1800,
thank you!
Finally someone that understood what i was saying!! |
sesukaku
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lol.. mib1800 and sloopjohnB. you guys keep mentioning facts that we ALREADY KNOW---screen larger, EDGE and so on and so on..this is already mention like thousands of times, thus we do not say (well.. some of us as a SE fanboy might have tried to hide it, but generally... the only reason why they go "around the bush" as you said, which generally most ppl do anyway, is because SE fanboys know the facts that N73 wins in terms of technology wise. It is you guys who reject our opinion about all of the other aspects that really determines whether someone will buy the product or not (we think in customer point of view, product point of view and company point of view. I find that you only stuck within the second point.. product point of view only). Now.. which one will determine someone to buy a phone? the product itself or the factor that the customer is facing (budget, needs, design that they like)? i try to explain this many times.. and you reject it as many as i explain it. This is why the discussion will never end. Because you keep saying this as subjective point of view.. guess what? everyone is subjective. so i think it is very very valid to say the comparison from subjective point of view..
Otherwise.. lets simply put this.. it is clear enough that you guys do not want to accept how smart SE is. They already choose the tech to be used in K800 very carefully based on research and give customer what they want, unlike nokia, deliberately shoots every single aspects blindly without being thoughtful in putting the features. (^__^.. not really though, but pretty much something like this). This is the reason why K800 is more popular than N73. That is the fact that you guys still haven't yet accept up until this point.
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Trentors
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#SloopJohnB
Ahhh so the software determines how much info is shown? What has that to do with the screen? The screen resolution is still the same. And how can you say the screen is less pixelated when the pixels are larger. Pixelated means that the pixels are displayed at such a large size that the pixels are directly visible. How to avoid this? Smaller pixels….enter the K800. So whoever is responsible for that review I really doubt they know what they are talking about.
But you are right. No phone is perfect. The N73 is not and the K800 is absolutely not either. Every phone is a compromise. If the N73 had a much faster processor so it could match the K800 speed then it would use more battery and so on. It’s not like the K800 would run faster if it had Symbian.
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hhmm you guys have your points...
lets just replace the title...
"N73 or K800, which one will sell better?"
there yah go! now with this title... your comments will fit altogether. NOKIA Fan boys talks how techie N73 is... blah blah this and that... while SE fan boys talks about K800 as a much cheaper alternative which has everything you need from a camphone. Clear facts shows that N73 is a high-end high range wachammacallit kinda phone... while K800 is a mid-range phone. Technical facts will show that high-end phones will definitely have all the butter, of course since its a high end phone.. it will be targeted to a few select...
on the other hand K800 is a mid-range phone which will cater a much broader type of lower market... hopefully a level just beneath N73s target market... if i do haf the budget and yes i would want to show off... i would choose N73. tho logically speaking most N73 buyers will not use all these features within the gadget.... and even notice that they were in the goddam unit. darnnit how will this discussion end?
well you boys just get used to this thread typin in whatever ideas you want to ponder on each other... then definitely bore yerself out... then the discussion will end.
so again as any other Esatonian would comment.. sheeeeshh
"N73 or K800, which one is better?"
N73 is better as a Symbian... if you convert that into a java-based phone (i dunno if you can imagine how lousy that is) wheew!
K800 is better as a java-phone... if you convert that into a Symbian... (darn it just look at the price tag!) wheew!
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Trentors
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#mib1800
Do you have selective eyesight? We are some in here who try to bring up straight facts about why we prefer the K800. I know some says we don’t need the features and how right they may be (I didn’t play much with the N73’s Symbian after a while) I still think it is not a valid argument. But I have come up with real reasons why I choose the K800 in the end. In case of the selective eyesight doesn’t repeat itself I will write them again.
K800 has a better screen. Smaller: yes. Sharper with higher contrast: yes.
K800 has much better keypad
K800 has better battery life
K800 is MUCH faster. The gallery on the N73 takes 6 seconds to load while on K800 it’s instant!
K800 takes better pictures. Yes if you know nothing about photo quality and thinks that lots of colors equal good quality you will probably prefer N73. You probably also thinks that Pearl Harbor is a good movie and think’s it is sad when Bruce Willis character says goodbye in Armageddon (even though the movie had zero character development) 
K800 has the ability to update is software through USB and given the fact that all phone software is buggy this feature saves me a lot of trouble. The N73 also freezes more than the K800 probably due to a software error but on the K800 I always ran the latest software.
K800 has a Xenon flash. Yes it takes better pictures in the dark. It’s dark a lot of the time.
K800 supports stereo Bluetooth
K800 can be charged through USB
These facts made me choose the K800 in the end. Especially the speed of the phone and the battery which is something you will appreciate on everyday use. And I use my phone every day.
You do mention a lot of stuff which should make the N73 better but some of them does not even match the features is just mentioned.
N73 has stereo speakers. Yes - It has stereo speakers. Yes they work. But who in their right mind uses them? The only ones I know who listen to music on a phone speakers are small kids.
N73 is bigger. Yes. The pixels are larger and the contrast is lower and besides the keypad suffers greatly from this. My eyes work perfectly – I don’t need bigger pixels and side by side the K800 screen looks much better. I don’t use a LCD TV instead of a computer monitor. Sure it is bigger but so are the pixels!
N73 has a bigger size. Yes it is a shame for the N73.
N73 has cheaper memory. Only a small difference so who cares? What sucks on the other hand is that M2 only comes in 1GB.
N73 has better video. Yes it does. I really wish the K800 had better video.
N73 has both Edge and UMTS. Yes and it sucks that K800 does not have both.
N73 has PTT. This is no very popular in Europe and I can’t see the big deal.
N73 has more/better small features due to Symbian. Sure it has. But features like opening Excel, Word etc. on a phone with no touch screen is a sad waste of time. How many people edit Word documents on the N73? I didn’t.
So it is very simple. If you have no need for both Edge and UTMS at the same time and don’t really use Symbian then why on Earth would you choose the N73? It’s slower. Takes unrealistic pictures (if you want to make you pictures artificial you can always do it in post-processing anyway), has worse battery, is larger, has a small annoying keypad and bigger both not as sharp screen with lower contrast. It has no flash and will surely need to be updated at a Nokia authorized dealer (which takes up to 14 days here in DK).
On everyday use it is also very slow compared to the K800.
Trust me. I have had both. When all the glitter of Symbian wears over you will end up using K800!
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bavlondon2
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Which is basically what happend to me.
I had the k800 and loved it but was curious to see how a symbian phone differs in general performance.
Symbian only means you can have 3rd part apps running but how many do each of you actually use?
Combined with the purple fog and grainy video (which had in my eyes gone back a step compared to previous CIF video models such as the n70) i sent it back and got myself a k800 again and have no regrets.
Well that would be a lie, I do have one regret and that was getting rid of my k800 in the first place as I have to get a 1gb card again.lol |
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is because SE fanboys know the facts that N73 wins in terms of technology wise. It is you guys who reject our opinion about all of the other aspects that really determines whether someone will buy the product or not |
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You nearly got it right. We do not reject argument blindly. If SE fanboys have argued using something like "Eventhough K800 screen size is inferior to N73 but it is a compromise because it is cheaper" , I think nobody is going to dispute this. But instead SE fanboys use empty and incomprehensible argument like "K800 is better because the screen is smaller since we like the smaller screen" .
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BUT you have to back up your subjectivity with realistic points. It would be ridiculous if you say a Ford is better than Merc because the Ford has a smaller engine (like those who said K800 is better because of its smaller screen ).
And you have to accept the fact that there are certain clearcut points which you cannot expect to change the outcome no matter how subjective an argument you want to use. E.g. video rec. You can throw in all your subjectivity but the fact will always remain that N73 has a much better video rec than K800. Realistically (which I think many SE fans will find it hard to swallow) is that there are many clearcut points that show N73 is better than K800.
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Have you seen anyway the I have said N73 is more successful than K800? K800 is a very good product targeted at its intended buyers. In terms of volume it will most probably outsell N73. I am not even conceding this as a point but offering it as a matter of fact. What I cannot accept is SE fanboys blatant declaration that K800 is a better phone based on their unrealistic and bias personal preferences.
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Posted: 2006-11-05 17:00
