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WhyBe
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Posted: 2008-05-15 09:55
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The truth always comes out in the end....doesn't it???
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Meaning?

Nobody said its not a good phone. All I'm saying is its not revolutionary(which you keep implying for what I can understand) and it does not deserve to be put on a pedestal. And it STILL lacks features that some of its competitior models have AND it definately wont be good value for money .

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It appears X1 will now be released in Q4 2008.

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http://www.mobil.se/ArticlePa[....]/20080515091926_MOB276.dbp.asp

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Perhaps it does not come as a big suprise, but yesterday it was confirmed.
Sony Ericsson's windows mobile Xperia X1 will be launched during the las quarter this year. Earlier Sony Ericsson has just stated "second half of this year".


It is in the material from Sony Ericsson's completed capital market day yesterday in Globen they took the chance to specify the launch date for the longed-for mobile Xperia X1. Earlier only second half of 2008 was mentioned as launch date. Now it will be the later part of the year.

Earlier it have been speculations around the launch date and then Handagon for instance has mentioned mid september as a launch day. That seem to be wrong, but perhaps implies Handagon will be done with their software in good time before the launch.

Also speculations about delays from the original time plan has circulated, but is now denied by the information that Xperia X1 follows the time plan and will be lauched at the end of this year.
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Posted: 2008-05-15 11:24
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On 2008-05-15 10:19:45, aksd wrote:
...Nobody said its not a good phone. All I'm saying is its not revolutionary(which you keep implying for what I can understand) and it does not deserve to be put on a pedestal. And it STILL lacks features that some of its competitior models have AND it definately wont be good value for money .


My enthusiasm for the X1 is not unique. It seems to be pretty common on the web. Do you disagree?

I'm saying the X1 is obviously greatest and the most anticipated because SE has managed to put forth what appears to be a great total package:
1 ) Pocketable and sexy
2 ) Great hires touchscreen
3 ) iPhone like GUI w/real keyboard
4 ) Large memory capacity - SDHC
5 ) Strong battery
6 ) Play Now media service - Sony's own iTunes!
7 ) Durability - metal body and keys.
8 ) and so much more and so much sexy


It is not just about how many megapixels the camera has if it turns the phone into a huge brick. SE has struck a magical balance between features, build quality and size. If nothing else, the X1 seems to be extremely well thought out. It would be interesting to see if the HTC Raphael falls short like the (great hope) Diamond did. I'm really interested in seeing how long it will be before the X1 is superceded by an even better phone (weeks or months or year?). I don't mind taking extra time to make sure the Xperia branding lives up to it's promise.

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On 2008-05-15 11:24:00, WhyBe wrote:
3 ) iPhone like GUI w/real keyboard


It's WM with a custom launcher. The Diamond's Touch 3D UI makes a real change, this certainly doesn't, and it's certainly not "iPhone-like".


On 2008-05-15 11:24:00, WhyBe wrote:
4 ) Large memory capacity - SDHC


Lacking a lot of internal memory, SDHC alone is really nothing to shout about, as even 100€ cheapo phones are SDHC capable.


On 2008-05-15 11:24:00, WhyBe wrote:
6 ) Play Now media service - Sony's own iTunes!


Not really, but believe what you want.


On 2008-05-15 11:24:00, WhyBe wrote:
7 ) Durability - metal body and keys.


Completely unproven.

And for the rest: the cam is completely sub-par for that class, it's quite thick, it's still half a year off...but who am I telling that. You wouldn't acknowledge any bad thing anyway.
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I believe the X1 software will be much deeper than just a custom launcher. It would be stupid for to sell the Xperia software based on just the launcher panels alone. The launcher (and fish tank) is only what has been shown to the public so far. There is the camera software (which looked pretty slick to me), phone dialer, video recording, media player, contacts, gps, radio, and so forth. The software should completely shield the user from WM. Reaching WM should only be a choice, not something forced upon the user because only made pretty "panels" and nothing else.

Spec-wise I don't see anything to not like about the X1. Any feature that isn't in there probably doesn't fit the targeted dimensions of the X1 (5mp camera, tv out, xenon flash, etc.). IOW something had to go or the phone would be a huge brick...very unsexy

As far as something bad about the X1? The s;uggish response should be fixed. I'm expecting nothing short of iPhone responsiveness.
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@WhyBe

Well how about the missing support for video playback and recording of h.264 and only 30fps for 3gp standard then? All the other things you seem to think will appear no one will know for sure until it's released, but somehow i doubt your right as otherwise the firmware will be extremely bloated with all that running on top of WM6.1 won't it?

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There's no reason for all of that software to run at the same time. I don't know about the H.264 video support...doesn't it have to do with a licensing issue or something like that? I asked this question a few pages back.

Here is a Microsoft guy speaking about the X1.

Here's another video of SE explaining the X1 GUI themselves (listen carefully)

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On 2008-05-15 13:07:54, WhyBe wrote:
I believe the X1 software will be much deeper than just a custom launcher. It would be stupid for to sell the Xperia software based on just the launcher panels alone. The launcher (and fish tank) is only what has been shown to the public so far. There is the camera software (which looked pretty slick to me), phone dialer, video recording, media player, contacts, gps, radio, and so forth. The software should completely shield the user from WM. Reaching WM should only be a choice, not something forced upon the user because only made pretty "panels" and nothing else.

Spec-wise I don't see anything to not like about the X1. Any feature that isn't in there probably doesn't fit the targeted dimensions of the X1 (5mp camera, tv out, xenon flash, etc.). IOW something had to go or the phone would be a huge brick...very unsexy

As far as something bad about the X1? The s;uggish response should be fixed. I'm expecting nothing short of iPhone responsiveness.


Have you ever used a WM phone in your life?
I ask you this because its plain common sense that if SE were to change the lower level system to make it touch based either:
1. They'd have to pay microsoft to re-write the entire SDK
2. They'd need to make an entirely new UI based on Windows CE 5.0

Yes they will have a a few more apps that are finger friendly, there are several other apps already finger friendly nothing new in that(you'd know that if you knew anything about WM)

Yes theres nothing you dont like about the X1, maybe because you're coming from something lower end, maybe. Do you ever read any whitepapers or any technical based documents before making statements online? I think not. The MSM 7200A/7200/7201/7201A all support USB Host as well as Video out as seen on the Imate 9502, there is no additional hardware component required, its all in the processor, the respectve bus(as well as tiny changes to the USB port to allow it to act as host as well as PAL)etc.. have to be implememnted on the chipset, as well as few changes to the software. So in short its possible, its been done, they've just not got down to doing it because a new phone will be released in a few months with it on, and certain members on this forum will jump for joy as its a new revolution started by SE .

I dont think a 5Mpx cam is the answer, a cam iwth a better sensor and few pixels would do too, the LG KS20 2Mpx is comparable to the K750i cam or even better, which those crappy X1 pics dont reveal, did you see the full 3Mpx pic poste by bengalboy? ANyway lets not get into that again we'll wait till the final unit is out.

BTW I'm not against the X1, it might be my next phone, but I cant stand it when people put certain products on pedestals when they dont really deserve to be there.

Regards,

Akshay


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On 2008-05-15 15:58:41, aksd wrote:

On 2008-05-15 13:07:54, WhyBe wrote:
I believe the X1 software will be much deeper than just a custom launcher. It would be stupid for to sell the Xperia software based on just the launcher panels alone. The launcher (and fish tank) is only what has been shown to the public so far. There is the camera software (which looked pretty slick to me), phone dialer, video recording, media player, contacts, gps, radio, and so forth. The software should completely shield the user from WM. Reaching WM should only be a choice, not something forced upon the user because only made pretty "panels" and nothing else.

Spec-wise I don't see anything to not like about the X1. Any feature that isn't in there probably doesn't fit the targeted dimensions of the X1 (5mp camera, tv out, xenon flash, etc.). IOW something had to go or the phone would be a huge brick...very unsexy

As far as something bad about the X1? The s;uggish response should be fixed. I'm expecting nothing short of iPhone responsiveness.


Have you ever used a WM phone in your life?
I ask you this because its plain common sense that if SE were to change the lower level system to make it touch based either:
1. They'd have to pay microsoft to re-write the entire SDK
2. They'd need to make an entirely new UI based on Windows CE 5.0

Yes they will have a a few more apps that are finger friendly, there are several other apps already finger friendly nothing new in that(you'd know that if you knew anything about WM)

Yes theres nothing you dont like about the X1, maybe because you're coming from something lower end, maybe. Do you ever read any whitepapers or any technical based documents before making statements online? I think not. The MSM 7200A/7200/7201/7201A all support USB Host as well as Video out as seen on the Imate 9502, there is no additional hardware component required, its all in the processor, the respectve bus(as well as tiny changes to the USB port to allow it to act as host as well as PAL)etc.. have to be implememnted on the chipset, as well as few changes to the software. So in short its possible, its been done, they've just not got down to doing it because a new phone will be released in a few months with it on, and certain members on this forum will jump for joy as its a new revolution started by SE .

I dont think a 5Mpx cam is the answer, a cam iwth a better sensor and few pixels would do too, the LG KS20 2Mpx is comparable to the K750i cam or even better, which those crappy X1 pics dont reveal, did you see the full 3Mpx pic poste by bengalboy? ANyway lets not get into that again we'll wait till the final unit is out.

BTW I'm not against the X1, it might be my next phone, but I cant stand it when people put certain products on pedestals when they dont really deserve to be there.

Regards,

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A surprising feature about the X1 is when the box is opened, a light beam will split the heavens and shine through your window. Angels will begin to sing then finally doves will flutter across the sky.

Why so concerned about how much I like the X1? Would you prefer I like it less? Perhaps will start building phones for all of those companies that can't get their WM devices quite like Xperia X1 Perhaps will offer training classes--WM Phone Design 101.

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@aksd:

Anyways, there is no need for a rewrite of the WM SDK (to add touch??????). I was saying, that Xperia software will be like a shell to WM. As long as covers all the bases (functions of the phone: camera, radio, phone dialer, etc.) there will be no need for the average user to even see the WM interface unless they choose to. Every function of the phone would be accessed through the apps. Of course, third party software would be something different. Even the SE rep in the video said they are giving developers time to develop apps for the X1 in time for it's release. Makes me believe these apps would follow the same Xperia GUI concept or else why would they wait for just some more standard WM apps? Ther's tons of those already.

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No you can like the X1 all you want, but know where it stands rather than glorify it, which gets peoples expectations up reading stories of how great the X1 is, when in reality it is'nt as great as projected, and when its released you have disappointed customers. Be realistic, have realistic expectations and you're sure to enjoy the X1.

If you want the basic functions as you mentioned, buy a K850 or something, a "typical" WM user does'nt "just" use basic functions.

There are two possible paths:
1. Have a finger friendly launcher with a ton of app friendly apps(but this is quite pointless imo but is helpful to an extent, I personally use both PointUI as well as SPB mobile shell, pointUI is something like what you're suggesting but as soon as you open say the messaging you're back to tiny buttons)
2. CHange WM completely and that is happening, WM7 first devices expected end of 2008 from MwG, I'm sure the current gen phones such as the X1 and diamond will get Wm7 upgrades(recent video was shown with the TOuch Cruise running WM7)

What they meant is to get apps in the WVGA resolution, not using some new fangled SDK. Many of those "tons" of apps wont work on the X1 due to the screen resolution. THe .NET based apps should work wihtout any problem(maybe slight modification of code if required) but the native apps most definately wont work without editing the source code. So this is what the developers need to do.

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On 2008-05-15 17:29:05, aksd wrote:
No you can like the X1 all you want, but know where it stands rather than glorify it, which gets peoples expectations up reading stories of how great the X1 is, when in reality it is'nt as great as projected, and when its released you have disappointed customers. Be realistic, have realistic expectations and you're sure to enjoy the X1....


I have not said anything untrue about the X1 (OK, maybe the angels singing ). Any speculation I have made is based on real and verifiable information--especially this last subject of X1 GUI laying on-top-of WM. Apple has sent all of the smartphone manufacturers back to the drawing board to get their GUIs improved. It would be stupid for any manufacturer to release a phone with just plain old WM with no GUI enhancements. I believe, based on what I have seen, that has recognized and is acting on this in a major way.

aksd, If people want to get excited over the X1, THIS thread is the place to do it. I don't understand why you have appointed yourself as the emotions police. You sound like the guy at Wal*Mart trying to control a crowd of people that have camped out all night for a Nintendo Wii Or, It's like when a beautiful woman (X1) walks into the room, alot of the other women get angry and start trying to point out her flaws

I'm not going to get into a "I'm-more-of-a-phone-pro-than-you" battle. This is all just friendly discussion to me. Also, if anyone thinks this thread is a one-stop-shop on everything about the X1, then shame on them. Thanks for the info on the TV out, I will look into it.
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Here is some (paraphrased?) info from HTC (concerning complaints about the TyTnII video driver issue):

To address lingering questions about HTC's current MSM 7xxx devices, it is important to establish that a chipset like an MSM7xxx is a platform with a vast multitude of features that enable a wide range of devices with varied functionality. It is common that devices built on platforms like Qualcomm's will not enable every feature or function.

In addition to making sure the required hardware is present, unlocking extended capabilities of chipsets like the MSM 7xxx requires in-depth and time consuming software development, complicated licensing negotiations, potential intellectual property negotiations, added licensing fees, and in the case of devices that are sold through operators, the desire of the operator to include the additional functionality. To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become.


This could give insight as to why the X1 doesn't have TV out and also, what's taking so long.

Please don't confuse this as a statement of HTC "really" making the X1.

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