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brix25
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@Mohil: There aren't any settings for PTT bcoz no network offers the service yet. In actual fact very few networks outside the US offer PTT.
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WirelessMonkey
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EDGE/WCDMA vs WCDMA only networks:
Thus far my research has uncovered the following -
EDGE triples GPRS capacity while increasing overall packet data performance
EDGE is a simple low cost add-on to existing GSM networks
EDGE does not require new cell planning or frequency planning
EDGE provides a necessary first step for a common GSM/WCDMA network
EDGE is the easiest path from GSM/GPRS to 3G high-speed data services, whether alone, or in combination with WCDMA.
Basically - instead of having to endure the teething problems that comes with deploying a 3G network (cell handovers etc), EDGE delivers speed comparable with current 3G networks, allowing users to experience everything associated 3G with the one exception being video telephony.
"The user will be unaware that the network they are using operates a mix of technologies, operating seamlessly alongside one another and comprising GSM, GPRS, EDGE and WCDMA components." - I quote.
"Even though W-CDMA is capable of bit rates up to 2Mbps, most industry analysts believe that since this would place a prohibitively heavy burden on network resources, speeds of somewhere between 144kbps to maybe 384kbps are more realistic. Perhaps due to the delays associated with 3GSM/W-CDMA rollout and the
uncertainty surrounding the potential demand for 3GSM services, many mobile operators throughout Europe are looking to EDGE to fill the gap." - GSM mobile operators are turning to EDGE to fill 3G gaps (October 2004)
According to the same report - "The GSMA (GSM Association) also believes that many GSM operators will offer 3G services on a combined WCDMA/EDGE network. According to its chief technical officer, Bill Best, one of the main motivations for
deploying EDGE is that it is a way of ‘filling in’ the geographical gaps between islands of W-CDMA coverage."
So... dudes... there is a logical issue with going to the EDGE - and MTN appears to be the network that is leading the way on the technical aspects of deploying the next generation of GSM technologies (note plural). While Vodacom have claimed victory for deploying South Africa's (and not Africa) first 3G network, they may have underestimated the complexity associated with deploying 3G base stations.
MTN appears to have studied the technical issues a tad bit closer and are EDGing to deliver a better user experience than a spotty and frustrating holed 3G network. After all, it's the 3G content we're all buzzing about with video telephony taking much longer to become a fad. We only need to look at MMS to know that this is very true.
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mario2002
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38 and probably the oldest ;-) I want to apologise to Tahir,indeed he posted the price albeit not as a answer to my question but he did mention it earlier - sorry Tahir -.Also I have just found out that here in Jeffreysbay we will have a wide area network implemented on wifi ! It uses 'normal' wifi interlinked hotspots with a 32db gain aerial which extends the range to 2km or so line of sight ! The network is going online by the end of the month and is linux based.It operates exactly as the 'big internet' with servers and all that.And yes it is linked to the internet too,but the main advantage is in been able to phone over the network (voip) locally using the right equipment.(N91 comes to mind ) I will keep you posted on how it goes :-)
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WirelessMonkey
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To all my Nokia bruthas... this is why we love you in Africa
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John Kennedy of Live 8 said, "Having Nokia as a global sponsor is fantastic as it underscores the importance of communication. Nokia brings additional awareness and visibility to this most important of causes - helping to eradicate poverty."
"We are proud to be a global sponsor of the Live 8 initiative," said Pekka Rantala, Senior Vice President, Multimedia Marketing, Nokia. "Nokia is about connecting people and the Live 8 initiative is a perfect example of what people can accomplish when we work together to achieve a common goal. It's also great to see that the passion people have for music can be channeled for a common good."
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sIssIs
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Well with EDGE you do need a new mobile, and I would rather take a 3G mobile than an EDGE mobile. Wouldn't everybody else? Its faster, video calling, etc. Then again the connections isn't good... but but but wait... how old is this tech? Its new just like the first GSM was unreliable etc. Vodacom is putting up EDGE... why the fuss. That means Vodacom will have 1st 3G at most places(I think), then seconde of that we still will have EDGE(which will fade away just like GPRS, as it's now going in Japan) ... I know one day ... but that day is coming. So when Vodacom has completed to put up their 3G network to the places they want it to cover, then they will concentrate on the EDGE. Well thats what I think.
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Tahir Ally
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Everyone is bragging about EDGE.Well Well MTN WILL be launching 3G this Sunday.But they are getting the same Data card as Vodacom which does not support EDGE....I read on other sites that MTN will have discounts on VIDEO CALL for a limited time thereafter they will be charging more than a voice call.FREE minutes do not apply with MTN 3G .MTN will only have the SEricsson Z800,Nokia 6680,Samsung Z130(MTNexclusive) and Motorola V975.MTN will not charge for Video mail i now but will charge a monthly fee later.With MTN you have 2 buy a USIM after the 27June or you card will not work for 3G.
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Mr Ally - there is no need to speak of the competition with such a bitter taste in your mouth. When you know that your product offering is more superior, as Vodacom's is from what you are saying, then speak kindly and less boastful. People will be more inclined to appreciate modesty than boastful behaviour.
Yes, MTN's launch will be on June 27th in Jozi but there is no clarity as to what exactly they will be offering. Lets not forget that MTN are offering EDGE as per their GPRS offerings. It's to be expected that they may charge a premium for 3G, but I seriously doubt with Vodacom discounting, and I emphasise discounting, their 3G services, that MTN would be silly enough to charge a premium for their services.
That said, the dumb twits have fumbled in the past and have missed an opportunity or few by not challenging the competition. While I do have faith in their technology, I fear that their marketing leaves much to be desired. It's simply pathetic. Vodacom and Cell C excel simply because they have to, while MTN has had a tendency in the past to place their faith in their technology, only to realise later that marketing is what sells and not the technology working quietly delivering a more superior service to the competition.
I ran into both Alan Knott-Craig and Pieter Uys on the plane on Monday on a flight back to Cape Town and stopped to thank them for bring GSM to South Africa and Africa. This is what I think of the duo - and less credit to MTN for delivering a mass-market service.
See, I'm not the nasty pro-MTN goon you make me out to be. I try and evaluate each networks offerings, and if MTN are indeed to be charging a premium for their 3G services, I'll be the first to boycott it, and even go as far as calling for a boycott of their services, although, if it's really as hopeless as Mr Ally says it will be, then the market will decide if MTN 3G is to succeed.
I remind you again - MTN is offering EDGE as per their GPRS service, while Vodacom is merely discounting their 3G services to encourage an uptake of 3G services. Read the fine print, and see what's written in white ink (i.e. read between the sales pitch lines).
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On 2005-06-21 00:17:00, Mohil wrote:
From where can I get ptt (push to talk) settings for my phone?
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Dude while PTT is being tested by local cellphone networks - yes it is live and available if you can access their platforms, I doubt that either Vodacom or MTN really want to push a service that will further undercut their cash cows - voice. Voice is big in Africa and voice is money - stated bluntly. With Africans making 130-170 voice calls for every ten SMS sent compared to Europeans who make six voice calls for every ten SMS sent, PTT is not something to be encouraged. It's a sad but true reality.
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mario2002
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If you are using a S60 cellphone you can use PTT all day long over the gprs network (I use it everyday to cheaply chat with my brother in Germay). You have to install AgileMessenger and get a free account with one of the major IM companies (yahoo,msn,aol,icq,jabber).It works just fine and on EDGE even video messeging makes sens.(might be a bit expensive thou)
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WirelessMonkey
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@ mario2002
There are essentially two standards - FastMobile with FactChat is one kind of PTT that is based more correctly on IM standard. AgileMessenger is essentially just an IM service. PTToC... is the proper PTT standard. This is the service that is NETWORK dependent and the service supplied by vendors like Motorola (the world leader), Nokia, Ericsson and Siemens. PTToC... or Push-to-Talk over Cellular is very different from FastMobile and AgileMessenger. The essential difference is that PTToC streams the voice message from the instant you press the button. PTT as by FastMobile records the entire message first and then transmits the package across the internet and not across the cell network (put extremely simply).
Looking at it in another way - compared with Voice over IP / VoIP:
Skype is unregulated VoIP - this is essentially a free service but service quality cannot be guaranteed. STORM Internet's VoIP service is a regulated service in that is uses the MCI global network to ensure that digital quality is maintained. So, you pay for what you get.
FastMobile is probably the best unregulated service available as it's still regulated to a degree and hence why a monthly subscription is required. I first used and wrote about FastChat in 2003 when you couldn't even send an MMS between MTN and Vodacom cellphones. Then I was exchanging voice, pictures and movie clips with guys across the entire US, Brazil and even Mumbai, India. This was in July 2003. In December 2003 I saw the Motorola PTToC demo'd in Cape Town and was impressed by the immediacy of the PTToC service.
While PTT by FastMobile is a Symbian application running on a Symbian smartphone relying on an open GPRS gateway so that it can connect to the internet and its server in the UK, Motorola's PTToC used a server on the Vodacom network to connect to the Orange server in the UK and then to its labs in Colorado US. The PTToC service makes use of the phone's imbedded application, available on standard cellphones.
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Mohil
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Thanks, MonkeyMan.
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By the way, do you know if we'll ever get PTToC on Vodacom or MTN?
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As stated, I know that they are both trying the service and it looks likely that they will offer the service only to corporate clients. The services on Vodacom and MTN would not be interconnected - this would hopefully encourage corporate clients to keep all their contracts on one network. PTToC's presence and buddy list are the great attractions for corporates.
Public user access to PTToC may never materialise in South Africa. But then again... stranger things have happened and my hope is that Cell C will see it as an opportunity to attract more youth and black customers.
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mario2002
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Monkeyman ,while 'instant' ptt certainly speeds up the conversation is not always wishfull.I have tried both and believed or not 'talk first' ptt gives me more time to think what should I reply.After all I chat on my 'own terms' and don't want always to get to 'involved' (especialy with net buddies) if I really have something important to discuss I always can use the cell to call :-)) You say you could send videoclips and pictures from your cellphone in mid 2003 ! Then I beat you by half a year buddy ;-) My first picture I send from my 7650 using wireless irc terminal for the mighty S60 platform was in dec 2002 (a accident scene which I had to attend) my brother (germany) was so impressed by that 'instant feat' he bought himself a 7650 as a christmas 2002 present :-) I used to chat with buddies on IRC and no one would believe me I was on a cellphone.
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sIssIs
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MTN is offering EDGE as per their GPRS service : what does that mean? MTN is offering EDGE and GPRS as the same price or somethign like that?
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