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scwam2
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Posted: 2013-09-20 04:42
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Thanks for the info. This is promising if true. I need to go back and check the firmware version here (if I can figure out how to on a Chinese phone).
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Posted: 2013-09-20 04:47
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On 2013-09-20 03:53:03, Shotokan81 wrote:

On 2013-09-19 19:04:41, unknownC151A wrote:
Unfortunately, the display lottery crap, originated here is totally false.
The only thing I can say that the one who started this fabrication have hurt Esato's reputation.
Btw, I going to play with a demo Xperia Z1 soon. Any requests?


You mean fortunately for the clients, and maybe unfortunately for esato reputation?

I would say that in terms of rumors, with the xR system, this is where esato reputation will be made.

Anything that is written outside of the XR system by anyone else than the rumor thread owner would not be considered as part of the esato effort. Then everyone can post anything, what sticks is what is in the XR system.

BTW, Razec, just an idea.
For the new thread, you may want to have a post on the first page reserved for the Z2, the 4 incher and the next phablet specs.
In the form of 3 table, one per flagship, in front of each feature you have the feature value, and the XR rumor.
For instance: Z2
Screen resolution 1920x1080 XR5



Display lottery confirmed
XR5

reeflotz
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Posted: 2013-09-20 04:58
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Let's recap some highlights of Gsmarena review:

Build Quality

"The Xperia Z1 is as high as it gets in the smartphone food chain and Sony has spared no expense building it."

"Another thing that deserves commendation is that Sony has worked in a good deal of easily accessible ports and slots - the microSIM and microSD card slots can be opened with bare hands, unlike most unibody phones that require a SIM ejector and omit the memory slot altogether."


Display

"The native display contrast of the Sony Xperia Z1 that we have is great and surprisingly, it's even much better than that of the Z Ultra. Colors are also nicely punchy, but still fairly accurate. If you'd like a bit of extra punch to your images and videos you should enable the X-Reality engine, which is the successor of the Mobile Bravia Engine."

Performance

"The Sony Xperia Z1 is one of the fastest smartphones (phablets included) available on the market right now. There's a noticeable performance lead over the Snapdragon 600 competitors and the snappy chipset makes its presence felt in almost everything you do around the Android OS. Once you get your hands on the Z1, you can't help but appreciate the muscle under the hood."


Audio Quality

"The Sony Xperia Z1 did impressively well in the active external amplifier part of the audio quality test. There's very little quality drop when you plug in a pair of headphones."


Camera Quality

"The end result does capture more fine detail than the 13MP cameras of the competition thanks to the extra resolution. Colors look accurate and the white balance is good, though slightly cool."

"Actually, it looks like there's a lens defect as the image just right of the center looks softer than it should be (we even checked for smudges on the camera and retook the photos). So much for "Sony G Lens". Still, you need to keep in mind this is a pre-production unit we have here for a review (one obtained from Sony itself nevetheless) so quality control oversights are possible."


Video Quality

"The Sony Xperia Z1 is a reasonably powerful camcorder. It captures 1080p videos at just under 30 frames per second with a good bitrate of 17-18Mbps with stereo sound recording with a bitrate of 132 Kbps and 48 kHz audio sampling rate."

"Sony has introduced a new digital image stabilization enhancement dubbed SteadyShot. It works pretty well for a digital stabilization system, you can check the sample below to see it in action."



There's just one thing that bothered me, why the hell did Gsmarena did the review when all they have is a pre production model? That's quite unfair.

Still overall everything about the phone is excellent, if not excellent then very decent, which is very far from what others say as disappointing which is simply a lie.


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Posted: 2013-09-20 05:01
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i think a display lottery is a given as NO vendor will rely on ONE supply chain for production. that would be bad business. i think the nuance is whether the display lottery means (1) different manufacturers of the same LCD panel type (whether it be VA or IPS) or (2) different LCD panel types (VA (and sub-types) vs. IPS (and sub-types))

which is confirmed dacha and how have you confirmed it?

@reeflotz - i agree. such a review should be saved for a retail unit. especially since their reviews hold a lot of weight on the internet. people will read and assume it's true for all Z1 and that small bit about it being a pre-production model will get lost.. it's sort of irresponsible of them if you ask me. but, on the other hand, Sony should have made sure the device that went to them was top notch in every way. pre production model or not. so shame on sony for messing up there.
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2013-09-20 04:07 ]
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DACHA
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Posted: 2013-09-20 05:09
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On 2013-09-20 05:01:25, moogoo wrote:
i think a display lottery is a given as NO vendor will rely on ONE supply chain for production. that would be bad business. i think the nuance is whether the display lottery means (1) different manufacturers or (2) different LCD panel types (VA (and sub-types) vs. IPS (and sub-types))

which is confirmed dacha and how have you confirmed it?

@reeflotz - i agree. such a review should be saved for a retail unit. especially since their reviews hold a lot of weight on the internet. people will read and assume it's true for all Z1 and that small bit about it being a pre-production model will get lost.. it's sort of irresponsible of them if you ask me. but, on the other hand, Sony should have made sure the device that went to them was top notch in every way. pre production model or not. so shame on sony for messing up there.
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2013-09-20 04:04 ]



According to Shotokan81 if the XR rating is not used it is valid info. We all have seen that the XR rating doesn't work and over 50% of the XR5 rumors were wrong.

Other manufacturer also use multiple suppliers for displays but displays used by Sony are of totally different quality.
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Posted: 2013-09-20 05:12
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@moogoo

Yeah, you have a point, still I would say both are at fault here, Sony for not providing a retail version for review, and Gsmarena which supposedly gives professional reviews yet they used a pre production model for review.

As for the screen lottery I agree it is possible, what I do not agree with is the Z/ZL screens ending up on Z1, to me it's simply not possible because it's a different hardware.

Sony can have multiple suppliers but all screens are made into specification, all have triluminous. Recycling old screens from Z/ZL is pretty much impossible.
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Posted: 2013-09-20 05:32
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On 2013-09-20 05:09:58, DACHA wrote:

According to Shotokan81 if the XR rating is not used it is valid info. We all have seen that the XR rating doesn't work and over 50% of the XR5 rumors were wrong.

Other manufacturer also use multiple suppliers for displays but displays used by Sony are of totally different quality.


From what I understood Shotokan to say, he's saying use of an XR rating would give more confidence to what's being said, ONLY if it is published on the first post of the rumor thread. Anything else in the thread being said is just hogwash unless it's in the first post of the thread with an XR rating.

Of course, rumors are just that, rumors. To put 100% faith in anything but official documents/announcements is just raising your hopes for potential disappointment. Even the most firm XR5 can become false after announcement.

So are you saying the lottery is 50% true since you slapped an XR5 on it?
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Posted: 2013-09-20 05:33
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On 2013-09-19 13:52:25, DexterMoser wrote:

On 2013-09-19 07:04:19, supercoolman wrote:

On 2013-09-19 06:42:42, evilhomura89 wrote:
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobi[....]ny-xperia-z1-i1-Honami-review/
Z1 vs Note 3

check out the screens
[ This Message was edited by: evilhomura89 on 2013-09-19 05:43 ]



this review said Z1 only has mono speaker. wonder if that's true or not.


I think that might be accurate.
Look at the teardown, in this picture that white thing on the bottom could be the speaker, there's only one of them.
On the other side of the speaker grill there could be the microphone.

[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2013-09-19 12:56 ]



wonder if one small speaker can generate stereo properly...
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^where does it say anywhere that Z1 generates stereo sound? (O_o)..

one speaker cannot generate stereo sound. it would need to produce two types of sounds at the same time.. that's impossible.
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Posted: 2013-09-20 05:45
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On 2013-09-20 05:33:58, supercoolman wrote:

On 2013-09-19 13:52:25, DexterMoser wrote:

On 2013-09-19 07:04:19, supercoolman wrote:

On 2013-09-19 06:42:42, evilhomura89 wrote:
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobi[....]ny-xperia-z1-i1-Honami-review/
Z1 vs Note 3

check out the screens
[ This Message was edited by: evilhomura89 on 2013-09-19 05:43 ]



this review said Z1 only has mono speaker. wonder if that's true or not.


I think that might be accurate.
Look at the teardown, in this picture that white thing on the bottom could be the speaker, there's only one of them.
On the other side of the speaker grill there could be the microphone.

[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2013-09-19 12:56 ]



wonder if one small speaker can generate stereo properly...


Mate if you can manage that I'll invest my life savings - as I understand it - it would work if we only had one ear
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careful geoffxx.. he might take one of your ears
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1V8ZqYFY1U
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On 2013-09-20 05:52:54, moogoo wrote:
careful geoffxx.. he might take one of your ears




3 ears don't fit me well, so I'll spare his ear

I remember rumour thread (hui or someone) said Honami (aka Z1) had two speakers for stereo, one on the left or the grill, the other to the right of the grill. unless that is no longer XR5, but I haven't seen anything to confirm this yet
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^well the teardown of the Z1 seems to confirm there is only one speaker. plus, if it had stereo speakers, i'm pretty sure Sony would have noted it somewhere. Also, having stereo speakers, THAT small, in THAT close proximity is essentially useless.
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^you can still see the two speaker rumour all over the net if you google it

anyways, tear down shows everything


so when is C6906 going to be available.
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