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untitled1
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sure it has. |
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anonymuser
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On 2010-01-15 04:21:25, moogoo wrote:
Millions of users? sure. they have good marketing and the user interface is fun and easy to use. i can't argue that.
So don't dismiss it - it's important. Millions of users = huge developer support = even happier users. The customer satisfaction figures bear out the fact that the iPhone now has many millions of satisfied customers, most of whom have bought into the iPhone ecosystem and a number of apps. Now look again at the X10 - how many of those iPhone users is it going to attract? Any?
90,000 aps .. with about 50% that are simply crap apps.
The problem for you is, you can apply a completely made up and subjective "statistic" like that, and you're still conceding that there are 45,000 good iPhone apps out there. Apply the same logic to the Android marketplace (and why shouldn't we?) you're left with just 5,000 apps. Just 11% of non-crap available to the iPhone.
Android market is just starting and with more than just one manufacturer pumping out android phones, it will soon have just as many if not more apps than that available for iphone.
Let's get this right - the Android market has been around for more than a year now. The G1 was launched along with the market back in October 2008, they've been selling paid apps since February last year, multiple Android handsets have been around (and selling reasonably well) for a year or so already. It's a simple fact that for all Google's hype, developer support for the Android market has not been as forthcoming as anyone expected. Bear in mind Apple's store got to 56,000 apps in it's first year, on the strength of just one company making one phone (and one PMP) for it.
X10's multi-touch is not a limitation of its hardware, but of android. Which as we all know can be implemented if desired.
And are you expecting it to be?
How bout something 3GS doesn't have... of high importance to me - MULTI-TASKING.
Windows Mobile has always done multi-tasking. So has Symbian. So there's no way the iPhone could ever beat a Windows or Symbian phone, right?
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I never dismissed the fact that it has millions of users. Apple has good marketing and has established the ipod/itunes foundation to make the iphone more successful than without it. On the flip side, you have android phones, which has not put forth the same amount of marketing as the iphone has. when the G1 came out a year ago, at least here in the states, I did not see a SINGLE television ad, hear a SINGLE radio ad. I would only see ads online and only if i went to mobile phone specific websites. It was not marketed to the general public as much as the iphone. and admittedly, the basic android OS and UI is not as slick and pretty as the iphone's. Yet another reason why it did not attract the masses immediately.
However, now it's different. With the huge push for android phones, especially with moto droid series and huge marketing campaigns that come with it, android has become more common among the everyday user. Whereas a year ago or even 6 months ago, before the droid, the everyday user most likely would not have been aware of android or the market place. Of course, with more awareness of android in the general public, the marketplace will grow as well. In addition, the number of android devices are growing and the new ones actually don't look like ugly bricks like the G1. Which means even MORE sales, MORE users, and in turn more developer support. Furthermore, you cannot apply the same (albeit arbitrary) statistic to the apps on the android marketplace because it simply isn't true. Try searching for a fart noise app on itunes vs the marketplace. It's obvious itunes has much more crap-ware.
As far as multi-touch being implemented. Yes i do expect it to be. Whether it is by SE, by google with an OS update or by a 3rd party developer for use in their specific app. If it's possible and it is desired, it will be done.
Lastly, why on earth are you bringing symbian and winMo into this? We're comparing the 3GS with the X10. WinMo and Symbian are irrelevant. It's iphone OS vs Android. and clearly android can multi-task and iphone OS cannot. For many that may not be an issue, but for me it is of high importance.
Anyway. You can reply if you wish but I'm done. Our debate adds nothing of real use to this thread.
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I don't agree that Android has been some low-key affair up till now - the G1 was launched with quite a fanfare, and let's not forget it had one of the biggest technology brands in the world behind it, along with a lot of free advertising on the world's number one website and advertising platform to boot. People are acting now as if the Nexus One is the first "Googlephone", but that's really not the case at all.
Aside from that, you have the more attractive G2/Magic launching in February last year, some other big profile handsets like the Hero and, as you mention, the Droid - all pretty well established in the market now. And we're still waiting for that app market to pick up? The massively hyped Nexus One is out now (apparently selling all of 20,000 handsets in the first week if you believe one set of figures), and we still have to wait for that late surge of developers? Gonna happen any day now, right?
On 2010-01-15 09:43:48, moogoo wrote:
Furthermore, you cannot apply the same (albeit arbitrary) statistic to the apps on the android marketplace
Yes I can. By the same imaginary justification you used when you applied it to the app store.
because it simply isn't true.
No, and it wasn't true of the app store either.
Try searching for a fart noise app on itunes vs the marketplace. It's obvious itunes has much more crap-ware.
No, it's obvious you want to classify more of itunes as "crap-ware", but all it really proves is that the app store caters for a lot more tastes. Don't forget, people actually buy the apps you're rubbishing - in their thousands - making for a lot more happy customers and happy developers over in the iPhone camp. Explain again, how is the sparcity of any apps in the Android market a good thing?
As far as multi-touch being implemented. Yes i do expect it to be. Whether it is by SE, by google with an OS update or by a 3rd party developer for use in their specific app. If it's possible and it is desired, it will be done.
For the X10, the update would clearly have to come from SE, since the whole software build is custom - this isn't something that Google or anyone else could magic onto the handset, not that there are any firm signs that Google intend to implement this in their own handsets anyway.
Given SE's history, I think it's quite fair to say that if the X10 isn't multitouch at launch, it will never be multitouch.
Lastly, why on earth are you bringing symbian and winMo into this?
Because they're still relevant to this, in a "lesson from history" kind of way. You brought up Android's ability to multi-task as some kind of singular, all conquering uber-feature to beat the iPhone. I simply pointed out that the iPhone has already defeated two OSs that have shared that same feature for over ten years.
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Can someone please start an iPhone v X10 thread.  
I still don't see what the significant benefits of an OS upgrade will bring. As SE's first Android phone its a good effort and no doubt Mobile World Congress will see more Android devices which may be even better than the X10.
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On 2010-01-15 14:33:51, goldenface wrote:
Can someone please start an iPhone v X10 thread.
What's the point? Boinng turns every thread into an iPhone thread. Why bother?
I still don't see what the significant benefits of an OS upgrade will bring.
This. Going through the complaints raised by Milestone and Nexus One users, I'd much rather have a properly working version of the older firmware than a buggy new one. Especially when the X10 will have proper bluetooth profiles, Google navigation and all the other USEFUL updates that 2.0 brought. I can live without Multi effin' touch. However, I most definitely don't want my phone to drop 3G signal 20 times a minute. |
anonymuser
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On 2010-01-15 15:30:11, synn wrote:
What's the point? Boinng turns every thread into an iPhone thread. Why bother?
Actually, it was moogoo who asked for the comparison. True story.
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Can someone tell SE that SE fans are loosing their patience and trust to the company ... ??
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goldenface
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123 pages and still no phone. Grrrrr!
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Can someone tell SE that SE fans are loosing the patience and trust to the company ... ??
As long as we're all demanding stuff, can someone call the
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prototypes....prototypes....prototypes!I start thinking that the number of prototypes will be more the the retail phones SE will sell
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Toney_Ericsson
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Anyone seen what is on the Sony Ericsson website under the X10? A calendar with the words "You'll be able to get your hands on an X10 within 3 months"
What a joke....
If it doesn't come with Android 2.0 at least Sony Ericsson can get stuffed. Really had enough of there buggy and late and out of date phones.
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Domecot
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On 2010-01-15 20:13:12, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
Anyone seen what is on the Sony Ericsson website under the X10? A calendar with the words "You'll be able to get your hands on an X10 within 3 months"
What a joke....
If it doesn't come with Android 2.0 at least Sony Ericsson can get stuffed. Really had enough of there buggy and late and out of date phones.
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2010-01-15 19:14 ]
I can't find it. Can i please have a link? Thanks a bunch! |
Toney_Ericsson
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Link text...
Look under the X10 handset there's a calendar with a message
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Pistvakten
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Swedish web store Komplett (http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=580144) has the X10 for delivery Jan-30. |
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Posted: 2010-01-15 07:06
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