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Dogmann
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Hi all,
I really think it is about consolidating and maintaining there market lead more than worrying about brand new or existing OS's after all Symbian is Number 1 by quite some way.
Also i would imagine that some elements of the UIQ UI will find it's way into the new generation of Touchscreen devices although just how much of an influence it will have is anyones guess right now.
I really don't see how something that is still quite away off from launch stopped SE from releasing the UIQ devices it had worked on. There life span would of expired before the Symbian Foundations new devices launched.
I think SE canned their planned UIQ devices due to them not be up to what the market and users expected late 2008 in their devices and less to do with the formation of the Symbian Foundation.
I think Android really is still a big unknown and although looks interesting we will need to see what it delivers before reaching any conclusions. Same goes for WM7 and even Nokia's Touch UI. But with the next gen of processors and graphics coming on line soon we can all expect much more from our devices in the future and not that far away now.
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aw614
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On 2008-08-19 16:08:00, Bonovox wrote:
Actually was it SE who made the first landscaped phone camera
not sure, i know it came out with the 505i series in docomo, probably first, since panasonic released the p505is with the 505is series which was the mid season updates, where the so505is came out, but so505i was before the so505is |
carkitter
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Remember Microsft vs Netscape Navigator? Microsoft made it's money from windows so it could afford to develop and give away Internet Explorer. Netscape had no other revenue stream.
I think Nokia are taking on Apple and WM by following Google into the Open OS market therefore cutting of a revenue stream for Microsoft and Apple and encouraging Developers to use the technology the Mobile Manufacturer's want to use instead of Google's new plan for world domination.
Apple, Microsoft and Google are big players on the world scene. Nokia wouldn't want them rewriting the rulebook, remember the issues Nokia had using Qualcomm's patents? 
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max_wedge
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I think you may be on to something there. But remember also how Microsoft uses that monopoly to try and dictate proprietary browser extensions that suit microsoft but no one else? 
I expect Nokia will be doing a bit of that too.
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carkitter
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Perhaps
I may seem to be going a bit soft on Nokia, but I am impressed by their move towards open source and rejection of proprietary hardware/software. I can't see them suddenly dropping the Dr Jeckyll act to reveal an evil Mr Hyde though. Hopefully SE will take notice of the trend away from proprietary technology, but it would take a big shift in corporate philosophy I suspect. |
max_wedge
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true mind you SE tried opening up UIQ but it was simply too little too late to ensure UIQ survival.
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mib1800
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One of the main reason Nokia open sourced Symbian is to pacify and contain the Symbian splinter groups (Moto/SE/MOAP). It is easier to compete with your competitors who is using the same platform as you than those who uses unknown entities like Android/WM/OSX/Linux. And with Nokia going for services with Ovi etc, all of their Symbian competitors phones are potentially a source of money earner.
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max_wedge
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Yep, also easier to stack the odds in your own favour to
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Sirhackalot
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On 2008-08-17 17:30:05, carkitter wrote:
On 2008-08-17 16:11:28, Sirhackalot wrote:
@ Plangatan
Thats useless without showing competitors charts as well...
Err... your quite wrong. Read the thread title again, it says nothing about Nokia.
On 2008-08-17 16:52:49, EMS06 wrote:
@Plankgatan
What's the point of digging up old stats? We're dealing with 2008 and things don't look as rosy as they once did.
Those stats aren't old as such. They cover all 2007 which wasn't that long ago - it's only August. Those are the months that this years figures are being compared to so they are very relevant.
Just because you're down on SE doesn't mean the stats back up your grievances. My country has seen two Q's in a row of negative growth, should we all panic? Now is the time for good decision making and investment which is exactly what SE is doing.
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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2008-08-17 16:35 ]
Carkitter stop and think. It is very stupid to say that se sales are at best, show a sales chart and, not show a comparison with leading competitors. In this world of sales & marketing nothing is best unless is better then is competitors in the same market. Se at the moment is no longer on top. Even worst when se sales aren't good and some one like you jumps in the bandwagon to show their true intelligence.
Carkitter wrote
Err... your quite wrong. Read the thread title again, it says nothing about Nokia.
It dosen't have to do anything with nokia. The point is plank went off topic and made a statement with an old sales chart; I added that there isn't much sence in showing only a se chart and saying their at best when is actual fact they are doing bad.
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One thing I goota say in relation to the thread title: No Way!
SE is far from doomed. They may not be rushing headlong into market leadership, but by no means are they doomed. SE will be with us for a long time yet.
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carkitter
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@Sirhackalot
I know Plankgatan is a fan of SE.
But in this instance he did not say anything about them being the best. In fact his point inregards to the thread title was only 2 words:
It's quite valid to post SE sales figures in relation to a topic such as this and the sales figures were from only last year and they are SE's best ever results. They speak for themselves and do not require other manufacturers figures because this is not a topic about other manufacturers.
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Dogmann
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@all,
Well I'm shocked a debate about SE and no other manufacturers information is relevant what a refreshing change that makes. Usually SE failings are justified on the basis of others aren't perfect either.
Whilst i agree it is a little premature to say SE is doomed a bit like the thread about UIQ, oh no wait that turned out to be right after all despite what many where happy to claim.
Anyway lets just wait an see what SE's figures over the year show us and even the fist 2Q of next year. But unlike some i really don't see a great new portfolio from SE that's going to help them.
If they are relying on the X1 which will never be a mass market device and the C905 and W980 i think they face a very tough time. IMO they really need to get back to fewer but class leading devices to regain the high ground.
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On 2008-08-23 13:06:38, Dogmann wrote:IMO they really need to get back to fewer but class leading devices to regain the high ground.
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carkitter
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On 2008-08-23 13:06:38, Dogmann wrote:
@all,
Well I'm shocked a debate about SE and no other manufacturers information is relevant what a refreshing change that makes. Usually SE failings are justified on the basis of others aren't perfect either.
As usual Plankgatan's comment are judged not by what he says here, but by what he says in regard to the K850i camera. If people want to argue HIS point then do so, but argue it on why THOSE statistcis point to SE being doomed.
On 2008-08-23 13:06:38, Dogmann wrote:
Whilst i agree it is a little premature to say SE is doomed a bit like the thread about UIQ, oh no wait that turned out to be right after all despite what many where happy to claim.
Are you claiming to have forecast the creation of the Symbian Foundation?
Or did you forecast that UIQ would fail because of users deserting it due to not getting what they want, ala your SE theory. If so then you were wrong about UIQ and I predict that if something happens to SE then you'll claim to be right there also even if the reasons are not something you predicted.
On 2008-08-23 13:06:38, Dogmann wrote:
Anyway lets just wait an see what SE's figures over the year show us and even the fist 2Q of next year. But unlike some i really don't see a great new portfolio from SE that's going to help them.
I've already stated that you can't see SE's acheivements and successes, now you admit it too.
On 2008-08-23 13:06:38, Dogmann wrote:
If they are relying on the X1 which will never be a mass market device and the C905 and W980 i think they face a very tough time. IMO they really need to get back to fewer but class leading devices to regain the high ground.
Marc
Actually it's clear that they need more phones in the low end for success, and if you follow Nokia's smartphone strategy, more devices are needed there too. What I don't understand is why K630 and K660 both exist at the same time, likewise W610 and W660. With the world becoming a smaller place, surely regional variations like K790/K800 and Z770/Z780 are pointless? And the G700 business edition - why not make all G700's a business edition instead of just the Singapore model?
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StevenC
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Personally I'll stick to SE in whatever circumtences because I think they make good mobile phones. I own a T610 + W910i and my sister's a K510i. We also have a Samsung D500 and a E900 as well but none of them compares to a SE.
Despite the fact that the W910i is buggy, it sports a very good operating system. All SE phones do. SE phones are easy, user-friendly and customisable. Besides they have beautiful designs and not cheap looking like Nokia phones.
Believe me SE is probably the best. |
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Posted: 2008-08-20 17:48
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