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>500
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yeah...... i can only take so much k850 v n95 cam discussions 
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mib1800
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plankgatan
These are some of picts I posted some time ago. It is you who do have not have the initiative to go to the N95 pict threads and have a look.
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01042007020kf7.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01042007042fg3.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01042007051fd1.jpg
http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01042007042bu5.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31032007013be5.jpg
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plankgatan
Joined: May 20, 2007
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From: Sweden fur alle
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i havnt tried k850 in perfect sunshine yet (because its winter)...but ive seen pictures from k850 there its perfect sunshine (and the pictures looks awesome)....even a k750 can produce this pictures when its perfect sunshine......i have to wait to the summer to shoot this sunshine pictures.
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where are all low light/night & indoor pictures...he he (i didnt think so)...like i said before, N95 can shoot good outdoor pictures when its sunshine......but the rest sucks.
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here is some full size pictures from k850....looks awesome...so once again, k850 is still the winner because it have a better allround camera.
http://www.bof3d.com/up/get-10-2007-bof3d_com5k83tn0c.JPG
http://www.bof3d.com/up/get-10-2007-bof3d_comsg7o1jb2.JPG
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RandomCarpet
Joined: Sep 08, 2003
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From: Bulgaria
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On 2007-11-03 11:05:18, QVGA wrote:
some of us dont buy phones for camera purposes. we have digital cameras
well, no offense man, but from your last few posts I would conclude that you haven't taken many macro shots with your digital camera. |
chombos1
Joined: Jun 06, 2007
Posts: > 500
From: IRAN.
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just apart from the topic.
have anyone saw the pics of the new SO905iCS.
it apears that this cybershot giant have something new !!
the multi focus technology
and the face detection.
source:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_h5hOm[....]i4Y/XoIERR4nmvQ/s1600-h/s4.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_h5hOm[....]1A/_bLvF7vxgb8/s1600-h/s27.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_h5hOm[....]1I/k5BTZP9dHs8/s1600-h/s28.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_h5hOm[....]1Q/TIHvIyzoITk/s1600-h/s29.jpg
http://bp3.blogger.com/_h5hOm[....]1Y/vut9tVVC1WA/s1600-h/s30.jpg
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plankgatan
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show me ONE N95 pic...who manage this kind of low light ?????
show me ONE N95 pic...who manage this kind of low light ?????
N95 can shoot outdoor pictures when its sunshine...(but the rest sucks)
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mib1800
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On 2007-11-03 11:28:19, plankgatan wrote:
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where are all low light/night & indoor pictures...he he (i didnt think so)...like i said before, N95 can shoot good outdoor pictures when its sunshine......but the rest sucks.
well, maybe you havent seen this one. taken in complete darkness with n95 flash.
http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31032007010ao3.jpg
how about this one?
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29072007302hy1.jpg
N95 photo even in low light has very little noise unlike K850 which has a high level of noise.
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01062007257lx8.jpg
Is this what you called awesome sunlit picture with its purple fringing and noise all-round? You sure have a lowliest expectation when it comes to K850 photo. 
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KingBooker5
Joined: May 12, 2007
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From: London, England
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On 2007-11-03 11:37:42, plankgatan wrote:
show me ONE N95 pic...who manage this kind of low light ?????
show me ONE N95 pic...who manage this kind of low light ?????
N95 can shoot outdoor pictures when its sunshine...(but the rest sucks)
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-03 10:39 ]
Why do you constantly bash the n95 and defend all of SE? I would so love to here what you have to say if you have actualy USED the n95.. |
mongoose3800
Joined: Nov 29, 2005
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From: Australia
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On 2007-11-03 10:44:10, plankgatan wrote:
he he he....here we go again.
(hopefully) im going to borrow my friend N95 today and take some "real" compare pictures.....this compare pictures stinks
(do you realy think that k850 take so unsharp pictures ?????
i think I/we have proved the opposite allready.
k850 have a much better allround camera.... if you compare the low light/night, flash & indoor pictures (even some outdoor) from N95, they looks worse.....end of story.
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-11-03 09:51 ]
It would be really good if you could do some comparisons shots. I can't wait to see your results. May I suggest that when you do you be totally objective and try to take shots that focus on both phones weak and strong points. Obviously, we know N95 shows too much processing on leaves and so on and K850 shows too much graininess. To be totally fair and to meet the tastes of inviduals I would also like to see side by side comparisons of full res crops as well as shrunken shots.
Could I suggest that everyone just calm down a bit. This is just a debate there's no need to be getting so personal or taking offence. If you don't like the quality of photo's say it politely and explain why. Don't just say it "sucks" and question the photography ability of the person taking the shots. After all they are just camera phones. I'm only buying into this debate because I think both Nokia and SE have gone too far with 5mp. Neither one of them really to live up to the 5mp hype and neither one really seem to show any real improvement over the previous 3mp and 2mp phones. Unfortunately, I still see the N95 as taking better all round images but would love to see someone showing real proof that the K850 is just as good or better. |
KingBooker5
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On 2007-11-03 10:44:10, plankgatan wrote:
k850 have a much better allround camera.... if you compare the low light/night, flash & indoor pictures (even some outdoor) from N95, they looks worse.....end of story.
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Coming from SE's biggest fan..  |
mib1800
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http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02062007281ml5.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01062007257lx8.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29072007302hy1.jpg
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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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Hi all,
This is really beginning to get tedious as already pointed out by >500 the other thing is it is impossible to know just how many pictures plankgatan took to get the one good picture he then shows us or for that matter how long he has spent fiddling and altering settings to get the desired result.
Unfortunately as he stated prior to the K850 release it was going to be the best as well as his extreme bias for anything SE it is really hard to believe him even if he claims they were just point and shoot pictures that it is true.
But at the end of the day who really cares if you like SE buy SE if you like another manfactuer buy from them not everyone is going to like the same phone irrespective if one is better or not it is down to each individual to decide which they prefer there really is no right answer for everyone.
The only thing we do know is all those that were happy to slate the N95 build quality and bugs seem to be able to ignore the numerous post's about all the K850's problems. Which basically makes them all nothing more than hypocrites, as however you look it at far more K850's seem to have problems and a much wider range of problems to and if you support SE or not it's not good for SE not by long way or us the consumers.
Marc
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>500
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well ill have a k850 this week again, then by the end of this week, or next week ill also have a n95 8GB from a new contract, so maybe ill do some 'un-biased' comparrisons, by that i mean i wont alter something so one phone will take the better pic
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Amp34
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On 2007-11-03 10:36:40, mib1800 wrote:
Amp34
Looking the the comparison. K850 photo still sucks. noisy and color is all out...pinkish..pinkish. And I just can't see how K850 has more details when it is all fuzzy. On the K850 photo you can't even make out face of human as it is just a big lump of noisy pixels. On the N95 pict the face is clear.
I dont know what kind of photographer you are. A person with one eye closed can clearly tell that N95 pictures has more details whereas the K850 picts are just fuzzy pixels
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-11-03 09:37 ]
I have to admit those pictures from the K850 are shocking, but they are totally different to the other comparisons I have seen. Most of the images I looked at were from this review: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]sonyericsson-k850-cam-en.shtml
And just a few random pictures would like to comment on (and yes they really were randomly chosen)
First:
K850: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]ic/k850/n95vsk800/DSC00824.JPG
Slight colour cast over the whole image but other than that pretty good, a little bit of noise (especially in the background) but all the detail is there, including a lot of subtle stuff.
N95: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]k850/n95vsk800/07072007056.jpg
First thing I notice about this image is the lack of noise, now you may think that is a good thing but a second glance shows why. The phone has stuch a very harsh noise reduction algarithm other the image, it is very soft and a lot of the really fine subtle detail is gone. You can also see around the edge of the leaf and the berries in particular sharpening artefacts. Looking at the berries themselves, this is where the N95 really comes unstuck, almost all the detail in them has gone as the added contrast and vibrancy of the image has caused them to become a red blob. A prime example of what I was talking about in my last post.
These next two images show the problems with the N95's overactive post processing (these were picked intentionally to show the point)
K850: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]ic/k850/n95vsk800/DSC00819.JPG
N95: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]k850/n95vsk800/07072007054.jpg
Now two more picked at random, there is a lot less difference in these shots and it is slightly harder to tell the difference.
K850: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]ic/k850/n95vsk800/DSC00891.JPG
N95: http://www.mobile-review.com/[....]k850/n95vsk800/17072007094.jpg
Now at first glance the N95 looks to have the lead in this, it does look like it is sharper. But take a closer look, especially at the sighs and smaller objects in the distance. The ones in the K850 shot are clearer, how can that be? If you have a closer look at the N95 shot our old friend, post processing has been playing again. The N95 is not actually sharper than the k850, it's just smoother, all the noise has been removed and a lot of the detail lost. The detail in the K850 shot is still there, it's just hiding slightly behind the noise. When you get to needing that detail (such as the sign and cars in the distance) the K850 turns out to be clearer.
I could carry on the comparison but TBH I can't be bothered and I'm sure you don't want to be reading any more either. IMO I think both cameras are very close quality wise, it's just the N95 is let down quite a lot by the pot processing the phone applies to the pictures. Which is why I believe the K850 is the better camera (for me at least). The N95 is arguably better for just point-shoot-print but the K850 is better if you are willing to spend a very small amount of time editing really good ptures afterwards. I don't use the K850 as my main camera (obviously) but I like to have a reasonable camera around me at all times when I am out and about.
And thank you, a personal insult at me within 1 post, just shows you are a very elequent person...
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elementz
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I always think the day shots of N95 are great, and the other types of shots (e.g. night, low light, indoor) are acceptable.
However, after looking at the full size shots of N95 posted here, I feel that N95 applied too much post processing, to the extend that many details are lost.
For example, look at the trees in daylight shots:
You can't really see the leaves at all.
In low light, it seems that more noise processing is used to remove noise (which was kept in k850) until the picture looks like a water-color painting:
Also, in an attempt to make the picture sharper, it uses very aggressive sharpening algo (notice the sharpening artifacts):
It is possible to have more details along with high noise level. I do not have a k850i and N95, so I can't illustrate what I mean using these two phones. But I can try illustrating using a P1i and K800i (see below for crop of the full size pic).
k800i
p1i
Note that p1i has a high level of noise, but also carries more detail than k800i. Although the pic of p1i looks bad at first instant, I still prefer this over k800i. With proper PS, you can actually get a very good pic (cos the details are preserved).
Note that the file size of p1i is always about 50-100% larger than the size of the same photo taken using k800i. From the N95 and K850i comparison photos by Amp34, the size of k850i pics are also larger than N95. Seems to imply that k850i carries more details than N95.
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