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miromiromi
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On 2013-09-19 21:01:10, doministry wrote:
On 2013-09-19 20:48:58, northmonkey wrote:
So GSMArena have said this phone fails to deliver on Camera quality again! Tut tut Sony!
[ This Message was edited by: northmonkey on 2013-09-19 19:49 ]
Heh. It's strange.
As Stills should be improved under the update,
look at Video - it's clearly better than main rivals.
Software....
it's quite obvious that something's wrong with the camera. it's either a lens or software fault. look at how the object on the left side appear sharper while most of the right side show blurriness.
i really expected this to happen. sony should have made sure that review unit is perfect. now, there's no good word from gsmarena. phonearena will most likely render worse judgment.
or maybe i was just expecting so much from sony.
i can't really believe it loses to S4 in the camera comparison tool.
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moogoo
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@northmonkey - what i have to say is what I always say in regards to cameras. The person using it makes a huge difference. Also, it is a bit suspect that GSMarena is using the same sample images that they released weeks ago in their "preview". Is it the latest firmware? who knows. they don't say. It's easy to make a low light photo look noisy depending on the light and the settings. I'm can't figure out how to download the sample images from GSMarena to look at the EXIF info, cause they don't even give the settings used in low-light, so who knows what's going on there.
Prime example is the photo gallery posted by those over at UnleashThePhones. The lowlight photos from the Z1 there are fantastic and a hell of a lot less (if any) noise than those GSMarena has posted in what looks like more light than UnleashThePhones took their photos.
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They didn't mention the 3x Zoom either, also I thought Steadyshot was hardware, didn't realise it was digital software. |
moogoo
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i am looking forward to Geoffxx's "review". I have a feeling he will be brutally honest and unbiased. 
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miromiromi
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On 2013-09-19 21:14:10, moogoo wrote:
@northmonkey - what i have to say is what I always say in regards to cameras. The person using it makes a huge difference. Also, it is a bit suspect that GSMarena is using the same sample images that they released weeks ago in their "preview". Is it the latest firmware? who knows. they don't say. It's easy to make a low light photo look noisy depending on the light and the settings. I'm can't figure out how to download the sample images from GSMarena to look at the EXIF info, cause they don't even give the settings used in low-light, so who knows what's going on there.
Prime example is the photo gallery posted by those over at UnleashThePhones. The lowlight photos from the Z1 there are fantastic and a hell of a lot less (if any) noise than those GSMarena has posted in what looks like more light than UnleashThePhones took their photos.
gsmarena got a good display but faulty camera.
no, they took new sample photos. notice that they now depict a sunny morning. the previous ones were taken on a cloudy day. really disappointing although i already expected that based on the old samples.
looks like the legendary japanese regard for quality is now history. many units with various faults. i can't really blame gsmarena for having produced those samples. over the week, i have been tracking sample photos of the z1. i have seen similar results from a number of samples—noisy, sometime dark, and sometimes washed out.
the z1s in the market don't really have consistent quality. sony hastily released it so here's the result. also, i'm still fuming at the mouth over those "lottery" displays. this is supposed to be the best time for sony to release an almost faultless product since it is gaining a lot of attention. alas, it still continues doing its old ways. |
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ah you're right. it is sunny vs. cloudy.
in any case, i'm not worried. Z1 will still be mine and when I get it, I will post plenty of photos in this thread and the other photo thread.
For those who have a Z1.. if you could post some photos, that'd be great!
I do find it funny that there's nobody in the note 3 or iphone5s threads pointing out all the negatives of each. It just seems like everyone likes to hate on sony.
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2013-09-19 20:35 ] moogoo
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I'm glad Sony meet your standards, and seem to be improving in your view, but for many of us? Many things still need to be addressed, from FW Updates (the Z1 launching with 4.2.2 at this point, same - for LG, but their entire update policy is awful needs an overhaul), display, battery, codec support for AVI, MKV and XviD formats - WTF!? this is STILL ongoing??? Amongst others, and now the Z1 camera also seems not to be the shining star it was meant to be.
You know what? I'm actually done with the Z1, there just seems to be too many letdowns, some of which were highlighted by the Singaporean leaker who had a test Z1 just before announcement, much of what he pointed out has come up even in the final Z1.
Interesting some here said they'd wait for a credible review from GSMArena, and now that the review isn't as positive as some expected it is being questioned. This is the same thing that seems to happen every year WRT Sony and its fans, vicious cycle.
I'm going to sit back and have a laugh at the excuses now, this place is going to be full of them, right up until the Z2 arrives at which point the Z1's letdowns will finally be admitted to but at least the Z2 will be here by then, and so it goes on...
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I'll point out something negative about Samsung: It exists!  just like that 
Why is anyone even reading this man's posts? He's irrelevant...
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Z1 is not perfect. No device is. But overall, in my opinion, it is better than anything else on the market in the same class. If you're done with Z1, then ok. It's not for you and you really have no reason to post in this thread.
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I do find it funny that there's nobody in the note 3 or iphone5s threads pointing out all the negatives of each. It just seems like everyone likes to hate on sony.
that's really beside the point. if you have faults, should you look at what others have to justify them? the faults of other devices are not a concern to a prospective phone buyer who is bent on getting the sony brand. if you are planning to shell out a good sum, you have to be sure that you're getting the quality your money deserves. we've seen better reviews of the device. the one on e-price, which pitted z1's camera against samsung s4's, showed how superior z1's camera is. however there are many other samples that also show s4's apparent advantage.
it will be better to really try the phone first at the shops before buying. preorders and online orders are not wise options for now.
@mogoo
i think tsepz wasn't really considering a z1 purchase at all. he's just spying on what sony fans are up to. he's on samsung's side. he's just worried if sony's new flagship beats the device he's supporting. that's been the tone of most of his comments.
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tyko
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Im a little bit concerned about lens quality, there is a lot of fuzzines/softness going on in a lot of samples ive seen. Only the center seem to be sharp. Dont think its because of the f2.0 aperture, my padfone infinity also have f2.0 but not the extreme soft edges. Not sure even an improved jpeg engine can sort that out... Hope to see some samples from real users soon.
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Geoffxx
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On 2013-09-19 15:30:40, dalmac wrote:
On 2013-09-19 15:11:03, CrownedAkuma wrote:
Also if Note 3 is 86 and Z1 is 80, the difference is a mere 6dB... and logaritmically speaking is more or less 4 times...
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Try hearing a sound at 80 or 86 and tell me if it seems 4 times louder!!!
I didn't say it was 4 times louder, I said 50% louder. And no where did I say that intensity is equivalent to loudness, which is why I said the following:
"e.g 90 decibels vs 80 decibels is 10 times more intense but is perceived as twice as loud to the human ear"
I'm a bit confused - not too sure if you are agreeing with me or not!
I'm confused too - we have already heard the Z1 speaker compared to the HTC 1 and although the guy thought the HTC was better (no surprise there) there was very little between them - again I think we are reading reviews that are extremely biased - I think a lot of care needs to be taken with everything we read here and on the web in general
never forget that the mobile market is tough and the opposition will do anything to taint opposing devices especially something as good as the Z1 - it is a market leader even if you were to believe all the suspect crap that is being posted online - so let me clarify that - even if you believed all the negativity it is still best in a class of it's own for now - Samsung LG HTC need to go up a gear to compete and in my humble opinion Z1 is a hard act to follow |
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On 2013-09-19 16:50:15, randomuser wrote:
Oops sorry
So far from what I've gathered, viewing angles are not an issue. Screen is as good as Z Ultra.
as much as I would like to believe what you posted - I could have said the same thing and yet I've never actually had the Z1 in my hand - you can't just make a statement like that it's not worth the keyboard it was written on |
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@miromiro the point is all phones have faults and negatives but there seems to be a many more people jumping into this thread seemingly _only_ to point them out and never comment on positive aspects, while the other threads don't seem to have anyone do that...
also, whether or not you try it in the store vs. online/preorder.. it doesn't make any real difference. The display model in the store isn't 100% indicative of what their stock is. It's likely the first one they got and it will stay there for the duration of the Z1's selling period. If you really want to be sure, just wait a few months.. and then get one. if it's not up to par, you return it. Simple.
@tyko - not sure what you mean but even with the same aperture they probably have different focal lengths (not sure what yours is, haven't looked it up)
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@geoffxx - did you hunt down that delivery truck yet? i'm waiting for your review buddy..
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