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PeterKay
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On 2007-12-21 08:21:23, CrazyGuns wrote:
hmmm, im not exactly a professional at this, but
Can't wait!  
Like it 
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Calarfe
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On 2007-12-20 18:47:08, PeterKay wrote:
On 2007-12-20 18:45:56, chuksy wrote:
Have you changed your phone PK?
change them every other day
Peter, are you allowed to say us if your prototype had a multi finger screen or not ?
Thx
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tob!s
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He didnt have the prototype any more, he said.
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Calarfe
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On 2007-12-21 17:10:53, tobiphill wrote:
He didnt have the prototype any more, he said.
Tobi
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CrazyGuns
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On 2007-12-21 16:31:19, PeterKay wrote:
On 2007-12-21 08:21:23, CrazyGuns wrote:
hmmm, im not exactly a professional at this, but
Can't wait!
Like it
Most welcome!
So how long do you think for that to be a reality? atleast for you? |
thefanboy
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Peterkay,
How do other testers feel about the device ?
Is testing more aggressive compared to other se devices ?
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kenx3000
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@Tigershark42
May be you should study the market more. New handsets mostly come as a substitute to the old handsets. If P5i comes right now, P1i and W960i will automatically be knocked down to the lower market. Prices will then be forced to drop. If they won't drop it, they need to keep P5i price exceedingly high. That's what I call suicide. If P5i will be due mid of next year. It's about the right time for new substitutes because P1i will be 1 year old.
S60 does have many security flaws which UIQ doesn't. It's like a Mac OS and Windows OS. One might be popular, but huge risks while the other might not be as popular as yet, but less risk. Now think of how much share Apple have gained from Microsoft in the past few years?
About W960i coming out with P1i. It's SE's strategy for grabbing multiple markets. Nokia does the exact same thing too, so don't just blame SE.
SE isn't holding P5i mainly because of both W960i and P1i, but they need to make sure when it comes out, it's what the market currently wants. Second effect is killing their own market of W960i and P1i that's about to go gold for new year's sale. I don't think you should complain. It's always been like this, and other companies are doing the exact same thing. It's not something that they would likely change. |
Tigershark42
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Some fair points there. I am on your side regarding the OS. UIQ IS preferable in my view. But if I'm honest, I wouldnt be able to claim that its the more popular. That already is an indication of where SE already stands.
Nothing you said about P1, W960, P5 etc was wrong I dont think, but you must remember that SE arent the only phone manufacturer out there, so its not just about marketing your products correctly, but also outdoing the competition. I think Nokia (despite the fact that I HATE nokia) HAVE outdone the competition with their smartphone. Therefore, I dont think its bright of SE to expect people to want to hang on to their same old inferior solution. N95 has proven this I think. In the SMARTPHONE (not PDA) market, if you produce the best range of capabilities and features, it WILL sell. So, going back to your original argument, although the P5 being released now would harm P1 and W960 sales, because it would outdo EVERYTHING ELSE also, profit from it would be 10 fold what would be attained from the P1 and W960 put together. Thats what I think. But its a question of whether or not the P5 would be good enough in all criteria to sell that much. If it really is as good as PK claims it to be, then they should take that gamble as I say and release it ASAP so that it stays stronger for longer. Dont you think it possible that in 6 months time the N96 could be well into its sales and outdoing SE on timing as well as on performance. I dont see that as strange at all, because that seems to have been happening for the past couple of years now.
In any case, at least the W960 would sell even in the shadow of the P5 because it would be cheaper and of Walkman branding. P1 would too. Where I live, theyve just brought the P990 to the shops NOW! There is a huge time lag between release and you being able to buy one depending on where you are in the world. So if SE prolong that further by increasing time from announcement too, then the fans just go for different manufacturers, who may even have better solutions by then.
You must remember that theres no reason why SE shouldnt be at the top of the mobile phone industry. They are comprised from Sony (electronics manufacturing powerhouse and a name associated with good quality) and ericsson (strong for battery life, and excellent with the communications industry in general). How could they let anyone else be ahead? What Im trying to get at is, if SE keep looking back at handsets theyve already released and hope that they sell more, then there wont be any new ones and theyll just lose to their competitors. AGAIN. |
Dogmann
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@kenx3000
When you say
"S60 does have many security flaws which UIQ doesn't"
Sorry but that is just totally false as both UIQ and S60 are nothing more than different user interfaces they both run on top of exactly the same OS although Nokia is already using a newer variant of the OS.
So would you care to share with us just how you have reached this truly amazeing and wholly inaccurate assumption then? as sorry but you are wrong.
Oh and the only reason that the P1 and W960 would be knocked down as you put it is due to the fact that there spec's for late 2007 are very old. As they are still using the same hardware as the P990 still no HSDPA and the now very old Nexperia chip. Where as the P5 hopefully will have all the latest technology as we expect from a flagship device at least this time SE realeased before release and appear to be addressing this issue by updating and improving the spec and personally i think this is the right thing to do and hopefully well wroth the additional wait.
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Tigershark42
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I agree with that 100%  |
doministry
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Just remarks,
I don't think Pnext will have any outdated technology,
It will be surely rather top end, ahead of the competitors,
also, releasing Pnext to the market - let's say - in May 2008, it's still less than a year from P1 release.
As for outdated specs, don't think only about data on paper,
think also about what phone can do effectively,
and with the big respect to what N95 can offer for instance,
it's not such a SUBSTANTIAL difference from P1 even in terms of processor/etc.
I mean, general experience with both phones puts them in the same general class of smartphones, it's not a different level. And both have some flaws,
P.S. N95 and P1, often compared here, belong to a different niche, good to remember that. So, respectively, in the BusinessClass smartphones Nokia behaves much less vivid than in this multimedia/high tech entertainment product. |
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I was just using it as an example because like Pnext, it is a top of the range solution. Therefore, P5 is better than N95 which is better than P1- to upgrade from the P1 to the P5, the specs of the N95 must be surpassed. and for the record, N95 IS a better solution than the P1 in every field except the battery. But we all know thats no problem when it comes to SE. In terms of what you can do- WLAN 802.11g, GPS navigation, 5 Mpx photos, play games using a Dpad, have dedicated multimedia keys, and have an interface which is more convenient in day to day situations, to name but a few very EFFECTIVE differences. P5i really should match and surpass this.
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Dogmann
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@doministry
Sorry i just can not agree with you maybe the processor is not that important although more power is always good to have and not need rather than need it and not have it. But no HSDPA in the later part of 2007 in a Data centric device is just not good especially when most smart phones from other manufacturers have it, hell even SE dumb phones have it.
As i said the P5 will address both these issues but if it uses the OMAP 2 series chip this will not be cutting edge at all but already an old and established standard. But as currently no one knows for sure just what the P5 will have power it or what it's final spec's will be it is impossible to claim it will either be class leading or not as no one knows the answer to this yet. I hope it does have the latest and greatest specs and this goes not just for the processor but also 7.2mbps HSDPA. Also i really fail to see the relevance of it being the most powerful or not far more important to me is how it performs and if it's stable or not when realeased as this will effect it's success more than if it is the most advanced or not.
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kenx3000
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@Doggman
I wonder how some virus got to Symbian OS and won't work on UIQ? They do run off the same base OS, but many are actually different. Or else why would some programs of Symbian OS would not work on UIQ? Don't tell me it's because it's not built for it. Same buttons, same base OS, but why not work? I did not come up with this conclusion on my own. It is something that has always been known and never fully fixed.
I do agree that processor might not be the most important factor. I heard NVidia is coming to help with mobile graphics, so if there's a dedicated graphic chip, the processor wouldn't handle all the loads of work. It all depends on what the phone is designed for.
@Tigershark42
I think SE does know that they're in a bad position in the market right now because they're losing what they had gained. May be they needed this time to revise all the mistakes and make sure the next lot will be a good comeback. I talked to one of my friends who use to work for SE, he did say that SE did that once before K700i and S700i came out. We do remember that they paused a very long time then boom out with those two. Let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best from SE.
Oh, and about Sony, I never buy stuff from Sony...really. I only buy phones from SE, but not Sony products. It's just too wide that they're not specialized in any single topic. I think of Sony and SE as 2 different companies(which they are, different CEO's and executives).
I think technology wise, SE isn't that behind. I think SE has one of the best market research. They tend to play a lot with what they already have. Think about how many features based off of the OS that SE had put their time into(The PS style OS, Accelerometer, Light-sensor). They tend to have many informatics working with media entertainment rather than emphasizing on just Hardware-based phones. I think they learned that lesson from Motorola.
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On 2007-12-20 05:43:13, kenx3000 wrote:
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I'm sure there's more than PK it's just more risky to all appear. SE reps DO come in and read to get feedbacks from their products. I knew some reps, but they never managed to post or anything. Just to read and report.
I'm really hesitating right now to wait for P5i or go for P1i right now. My Nokia 5300 is breaking down, screens scratched not even a year in(my old K790i was alot more durable with no scratches until it got stolen). What shall I do PK? Wait? Or grab myself a P1i
Ok thanks. I could take it no more and sold my K810 and bought the P1. Now I await it's delivery. There was nothing else somewhat affordable in the  line that suited me. W960 too expensive and well K850 didn't wow enough and it's also expensive. P1 fit right in. It's gonna be my first smartphone too.
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