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brix25
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Yes ... I'm yet to test one, will certainly not buy it. Question though is why do people want to flash their phones to the original fw if they were happy with Vodafone Live...it should be noted that you won't get much for such a phone should you try to sell it second-hand. R200 for the Sharp GX15 at Cash Crusaders...LOL.
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Tahir Ally
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@ Brix i dont know why people want to unbrand their handset.I sold so many Vlive handset and all those customers never had a problem with MMS/GPRS settings.Where as every day i get over a dozen customers wanting to set their unbranded handset for MMS/GPRS settings.It takes time to install settings and some times its frustrating.Not forgetting those customers who have problem loading content like from exactmobile,etc.Recently CodeMaster wanted the Vlive settings for his V800 because he unbranded it.He also stated he will never flash his phone back to VLive sw to get settings.All i can say is the settings are in the SW.If you remove it.You will be missing out on alot of new content that is planned to be on the Vodafone Live SA portal.
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Rhino8
Joined: Jan 07, 2005
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Firstly i hate the idea of networks branding phones, but the advantages are endless, except if you take notice of the fact that they over charge on content. For example, they charge 15 bucks for a Mp3, where if you download it from a site with free full Mp3 you pay for the transfer, bout 8bucks. Another thing, they should give you a demo of games before you buy. For example exactmobile charged 30 bucks for leisure suit larry, after finding it for free on another site i realised that 20cent is overpriced
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brix25
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@Tahir: Getting GPRS/MMS settings is as easy as dialling *111# and getting it sent to you.
We've discussed the merits of Vodafone Live to death and I'm not going to repeat myself. Suffice to say Vodacom doesn't need any more of my money after the massive profits they recently reported...hell, should've bought Telkom shares when they were going for nothing.
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WirelessMonkey
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Junne mense maar julle kan daarem snert praat!
@ Rhino8
DRM baby - D....R....M... you heard it all before, it's not Vodacom / Vodafone / Vitualcum or Vodavroom... it's DRM! Okay so it's like this... why do we not have an Apple iTunes store for South Africa? Why does Music Online charge R13.00 for digital music? The answer is in the labels and not the brands. When labels are charging brands a COST prove of around R10 (undisclosed sources) then what would you expect Vodacom to be charging users? --- R7.00 like iTunes US / UK, maybe R25 a month for all you can download like Yahoo... you must be kidding. Until we the public wake up to the fact that the labels and not the brands are screwing us, sorry dudes DRM will ensure that digital music costs at least 100% more here then in Europe of the US.
As for live! - R29.00 a month buys you all you can read, some added content like ringtones, real music etc. and the first month's free to try out. While Real Tones are hefty priced, the rest of the content is extremely fairly priced. Video clips are like R3.50, and the Sony Ericsson boys have been showing off their Maxim girlie videos of the naughty school teacher with her busty ... em... door knobs, to everyone.
While the phone is branded with a live logo, the rest is pretty much customisable. And you can still, for R2/MB, WAP off to another more explicit porn site, BBC or Esato.
Brix... it was Alan Knott-Craig who chose to be the first to drop data from R45.00 to R2/MB. Vodacom will again be the first to offer a laptop & data card on a contract - soon!
While I have a history of bad relationships with the management of the people in Blue And Green, they have a heart. As for the people in yello - they have a brain and no heart. Believe me, I've worked with both networks.
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Rhino8
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I dont give a hell for drm as someone will find a way to bypass it soon
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WirelessMonkey
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@ Rhino - dear... it's like this... I've always opposed piracy of any nature because, ultimately, it does hurt the little artist. It's because of piracy that we now have DRM. And now, DRM is being used to exploit the consumer (in some instances and I'm not referring to Vodafone). Where DRM is being used to lock users into only access the content of a specific provider, this is unfair practise and will no doubt be contested not through hacks but through tribunals like the SA Competition Board. You cannot force anyone to buy only your content.
Hacking will unfortunately only make the case for more robust, and thus less choice, DRM stronger. Please - I beg anyone that messes with piracy of this nature to please use the media, regulatory bodies and just simple good old complaining to fight unfair DRM.
... but ultimately ... respect the intellectual property of others. As a creative person who writes and photographs... my property is often exploited by others and it's not nice to see ones work plagiarised, less still copied and shared in a manner that hurts my income.
This makes me less willing to want to share my expertise openly and instead charge a premium to those who want to pick my brain. Hence - others who cannot afford to hire me are deprived. See how this becomes a vicious cycle - fueled by nasties who think only about their own benefit and who fail to see how their actions impact on everyone else.
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amawanqa
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@ WM,
Do people have faith in SA competition board tribunals?
How effective are they or is there money under the table to sway how things pan out?
I remember, in this forum some time ago, people discussing why eg. Telkom hasn't had any competition as such, or the politics behind granting more cellphone networks.
Now I am not saying that I know what goes on with these, it is not fair for me to do so, as I don't know all the facts and politics behind this, perhaps I've just developed a nasty habit of casting a sceptical eye over big corporate moves like these.
I hear what you are saying as regards DRM. I have a good friend who does freelance photography and some journalism in CT for various newspapers and the odd mag, so I understand the frustrations and necessity for protecting the fruits of your labour.
Hopefully there will be some realistic 'level playing field' as regards fair pricing of content and protection from piracy, but I guess 'fair' in one person's dictionary does not necessarily mean fair in anothers, and there will always be those who want to get everything for nothing.
Mind you, hearing about Vodacom's profits certainly won't make some people feel less guilty about finding ways to jippo the system...
Indeed, it does seem a bit of a vicious circle.
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brix25
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My nightmare scenario is Vodacom being owned by Vodafone...currently it's highly unlikely with politicians being against it but who knows? Anything is possible. If it does happen expect some benefits but lots of exploitation of the consumer...expect the cash cow that is currently Vodacom to be more efficient in pimping out consumers... And MTNloaded ain't much better either... Can't wait for November... I might just port my # to Cell C.
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WirelessMonkey
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Brix - my dear dear brother ... where's all the colour?
You just see red - and red is not just the colour of danger but also one of warn... in fact HOT! This is more where I currently see Vodafone - hot! If Vodacom had not ported Vodafone live! do you honestly think that we'd have any other content portal other than eXactmobile, which by the way no one has mentioned, or 35050... your own company's copyright ripping swindling content portal?
Honestly, and my expert opinion, no! Vodafone live's arrival in Africa has spurred others to provide better content. In eXactmobile's defense - they pride themselves in delivering copyright protected content, same as MTNLoaded and live! We should encourage this practise as we all benefit in the end... don't ask me to explain why this is so but suffice to say the Napster caused this shite!
@ amawanqa
>> Do people have faith in SA competition board tribunals?
The BBC reported on Jacob Zuma's little predicament and said something interesting - the fact that we say and hear about the corruption is because we enjoy a heathly democracy in South Africa. While there are incompetent people at many levels of government, and its associated bodies, these do get exposed and the government works hard to keep its own house clean.
South Africa has had a lot to deal with and bodies like Icasa have has to learn to run before they could crawl. Yes, they have not always delivered the best possible verdicts, and sources close to the Dept of Communication say that companies like Telkom have the government by its proverbial balls, but what goes around eventually, in Africa, comes around. This is the African way and this is why I believe in Africa.
We have much to learn and experience before we become as advance as our European and US buddies. But we're learning from their mistakes and we're leveraging of their gains. Vodacom and MTN have not just profited from their operations here, they have also empowered us to bridge the digital divide.
Why bundling PCs with wireless broadband data cards can change lives - for millions:
For each 1% increase in mobile penetration, GDP per capita goes up by US $240
For each 1% increase in Internet penetration, GDP per capita goes up by US $593
Source: Michael Minges, TMG, and ITU World Telecommunications Database Statistics, 2003
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WirelessMonkey
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@ Tahir Ally
Here's the best route to getting Sony Ericsson settings -
1. on a Sony Ericsson cellphone (K700i and on) go to Internet Services
2. Click and scroll to Settings
3. Click and follow the simple procedure to establish the settings that you need
- this services covers all GRPS, CSD and MMS settings for all networks and SPs. You can set up any phone irrespective of the network you're on and sending to. Sony Ericsson will dispatch the settings to your cellphone in seconds - faster and more reliable than the networks deliver. 99% of the time it worked for me.
If you need the settings, just ask a buddy on a Sony Ericsson to send it - off WAP of the internet, or get hold of me and I'll send it to you. (Internet service does not work on Apple Safari).
Internet -
Support >> Set up...
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brix25
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Inspired by the Monkey Man(and by jealousy of his brilliant new toys) I thought I'd post some of my favourite pictures from my now dated but still reliable precious aka K700i...the one was taken this afternoon on my way into work when I was caught by a freak rain storm.
This picture of a child and his father was taken outside the Beaufort West Magistrate's Court while I was on assignment in the town following disgraced ANC politician Truman Prince.
And this pic was taken just a couple of days later while in Porterville on a road trip with a couple of friends through the countryside.
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Tahir Ally
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I am aware that you can get MMS GPRS settings from manufactures and via *111# for Vodacom.But its frustrating at times when the store is busy and a customer ask us to do it for them.
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Tahir Ally
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Cell C will be lauching 3G this year.The best thing is they will be using Vodacom 3G network for coverage.It will give them the upper hand against MTN because Vodacom has better 3G coverage than MTN..........On its way in SOON.......Vodacom will be giving away desktops/laptops on 3G contracts
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brix25
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@Tahir: It's good to credit the sources of your information....Business Times.
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Posted: 2005-06-12 00:52
