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On 2007-09-21 14:59:42, Prom1 wrote:
On 2007-09-21 10:07:24, QVGA wrote:
Well ofcourse K850 is going to beat the N95 in terms of still pictures. Funny how you people say, it wipes the floor with N95 and forgot in how many categories N95 wipes the floor with K850. K850 ONLY has the cam going on for it and if SE didnt beat N95 even in that single thing, then SE probably should stop making phones.
Hmm the K850i does many things better than the N95.
1. I buy 1 K850i and I can use my 2/2.5/3/3.5G phone ANYWHERE in the world, orignal N95 did NOT do this.
2. I don't have to worry about having enough RAM to run applications (J2ME based) before it'll crash. K850i manages memory VERY well based on a solid platform.
3. Camera is seeming to shape up better.
4. I get the choice of 2 removable memory standards. M2 which is significantly faster in data read/write speeds than MicroSD.
5. I can immediately start dialing a #, with EASE on the K850i. The N95 I must slide in order to dial a number (NEW non phonebook saved).
There a a few others that one can debate, and surely on this forum most will side with the K850i. But you CANNOT deny that the SE GUI - Graphical User Interface IS, if not THE closest by huge margin, the BEST GUI of ALL phones! Placement and arrangement of functions, abilities, settings are right where they SHOULD be; logically & intuitively.
And lastly design! The K850i can do a lot but its STILL designed like a quality phone.
These are the reasons why I KEEP coming back to SE.
2- The N95 can probably run the same amount of JAVA applications as K850. The RAM might be a problem with the .sis applications, i'm not sure. And K850 doesnt worry about this because its a Java phone. Every smartphone, even the highest one, even a 5000$ PC will suffer from lack of memory some way or another.
4- Show me a link/source/anything where i can also read that M2 is faster at read/write data than MicroSD. I cannot even begin to tell how expensive M2 is compared to MicroSD.
5- Thats your personal problem.
Dont get me wrong, i like the K850, but it certainly doesnt WIPE the floor with N95 other than still camera. If N95 was as bad you claim, then why is it such a huge seller at such a high price? If K850 sells for 700$ i'll see how many go and buy it.
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i like my sony ericsson camera phones so i bought the s700i,followed by the k750i and then the k800i.I have faith in sony ericsson and i will be buying the k850i as i KNOW that it will be the best in its class just like its predecessors. |
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On 2007-09-21 16:09:53, QVGA wrote:
2- The N95 can probably run the same amount of JAVA applications as K850. The RAM might be a problem with the .sis applications, i'm not sure. And K850 doesnt worry about this because its a Java phone. Every smartphone, even the highest one, even a 5000$ PC will suffer from lack of memory some way or another.
In my experience Nokia java support is very poor compared to SE. But I have no direct experience of the N95 java platform. My guess is K850 JAVA platform would be more stable and support a broader range of applications than N95 (the same was true of K750/N70).
4- Show me a link/source/anything where i can also read that M2 is faster at read/write data than MicroSD. I cannot even begin to tell how expensive M2 is compared to MicroSD.
It's a fact, in memory card formats that MS is faster than SD. Look it up. And they are more expensive but no more so than the difference in normal size MS and SD cards.
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On 2007-09-21 14:59:42, Prom1 wrote:
Hmm the K850i does many things better than the N95.
1. I buy 1 K850i and I can use my 2/2.5/3/3.5G phone ANYWHERE in the world, orignal N95 did NOT do this.
N95 is also a world phone with its quad band . The only advantage of K850 is that it allows you to use 3G in US on ONE carrier only.
2. I don't have to worry about having enough RAM to run applications (J2ME based) before it'll crash. K850i manages memory VERY well based on a solid platform.
Not suprising at all. If you run N95 like you do a K850, I am pretty sure you dont have RAM issues either in N95.
3. Camera is seeming to shape up better.
Hopefully it gets better than N95 as this is the only saving grace of K850. Without the camera superiority K850 looks spent when put up against N95 much superior capability like WIFI, bigger and better screen, much better video recording, built-in GPS, TV-out...I just get tired listing out the rest.
4. I get the choice of 2 removable memory standards. M2 which is significantly faster in data read/write speeds than MicroSD.
I dont think this makes any real performance impact as other hardware like CPU speed is more crucial. MicroSD is more prefered anyway and much cheaper too.
5. I can immediately start dialing a #, with EASE on the K850i. The N95 I must slide in order to dial a number (NEW non phonebook saved).
This is nitpicking. I dont think it makes much different to press the unlock or slide up.
There a a few others that one can debate, and surely on this forum most will side with the K850i. But you CANNOT deny that the SE GUI - Graphical User Interface IS, if not THE closest by huge margin, the BEST GUI of ALL phones! Placement and arrangement of functions, abilities, settings are right where they SHOULD be; logically & intuitively.
I dont see that much different between SE UI and S60. You may want to enlighten us which part of SE UI that is more intuitive or better than S60.
Let me start. The Activity Menu on SE looks so clumsy compared to S60 Active Standby. How about fact you need to use the Activity Menu to multi-task Java app. This is totally confusing compared to S60 where it is more logically go to the main menu to start multiple Java/native app.
And lastly design! The K850i can do a lot but its STILL designed like a quality phone.
I hope you are right. We know for a long time that SE got a lot quality issue like creaking casing, broken keypad and joysticks. Eldar's K850 review model backcover also broke. 
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On 2007-09-21 16:36:56, mib1800 wrote:
Not suprising at all. If you run N95 like you do a K850, I am pretty sure you dont have RAM issues either in N95.
Again your lack of understanding of java multitasking maturity. You think of all non-smartphones in basically the same light - a phone that can't do anything, therefore can't ever overload itself. What prom1 is saying, that for an equivalent application load, K850 will best N95.
Without the camera superiority K850 looks spent when put up against N95 much superior capability like WIFI, bigger and better screen, much better video recording, built-in GPS, TV-out...I just get tired listing out the rest.
Wouldn't it be fairer to compare against P1 in these areas? I mean come on! K850 was never intended for wifi markets. And P1 3.2MP camera is STILL better than N95 still camera.
MicroSD is more prefered anyway and much cheaper too.
Ahm, excuse me, but on K850 you actually have the OPTION 
I dont see that much different between SE UI and S60. You may want to enlighten us which part of SE UI that is more intuitive or better than S60.
All of it.
How about fact you need to use the Activity Menu to multi-task Java app. This is totally confusing compared to S60 where it is more logically go to the main menu to start multiple Java/native app.
Confusing! It's confusing to press the dedicated activity menu button?
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On 2007-09-21 16:36:56, mib1800 wrote:
On 2007-09-21 14:59:42, Prom1 wrote:
Hmm the K850i does many things better than the N95.
1. I buy 1 K850i and I can use my 2/2.5/3/3.5G phone ANYWHERE in the world, orignal N95 did NOT do this.
N95 is also a world phone with its quad band . The only advantage of K850 is that it allows you to use 3G in US on ONE carrier only.
Guess what - it might be ONE carrier only, but it's the ONLY 3G+ GSM carrier in the US with over 60mil subscribers. Not to mention that I believe Rogers in Canada also uses the 850/1900 3G frequencies so it's for All of North America. If you live in the states, it's a no brainer - you want ot have HSDPA and a good camera - you get the K850. The ability to travel worldwide with it and the fact that it can fall back on EDGE is a huge plus for anyone who travels too. |
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On 2007-09-21 17:13:17, max_wedge wrote:
Again your lack of understanding of java multitasking maturity. You think of all non-smartphones in basically the same light - a phone that can't do anything, therefore can't ever overload itself. What prom1 is saying, that for an equivalent application load, K850 will best N95.
I ran a lot of java apps (like google map, yahoo go, gmail, opera mini) on my N95 and there is no issue. So what are you trying to say? Can K850 run these apps?
Wouldn't it be fairer to compare against P1 in these areas? I mean come on! K850 was never intended for wifi markets. And P1 3.2MP camera is STILL better than N95 still camera.
This is most laughable. P1i camera is just dreadful - much worse than N95 with its green tint. Go and check the threads on the problematic P1i camera. There are many threads here.
Ahm, excuse me, but on K850 you actually have the OPTION
Ahem, you like to pay MORE to buy the M2? 
All of it.
I know you dont believe this yourself.
Confusing! It's confusing to press the dedicated activity menu button?
What's with pressing the button - user friendly? In S60 you just see everything in the main active standby without needing to press anything,
It is confusing because to start app, you have to find your java app here instead in your main menu.
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Guess what - it might be ONE carrier only, but it's the ONLY 3G+ GSM carrier in the US with over 60mil subscribers. Not to mention that I believe Rogers in Canada also uses the 850/1900 3G frequencies so it's for All of North America. If you live in the states, it's a no brainer - you want ot have HSDPA and a good camera - you get the K850. The ability to travel worldwide with it and the fact that it can fall back on EDGE is a huge plus for anyone who travels too.
N95 has EDGE too. At the very least you still can use the phone and use data. If you live in US/canada you can always buy the US version of N95.
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And if you travel abroad, you can always by the other version of the N95... So you need 2 phones to get the functionality (high speed internet) in two continents... No thanks, I'll stick with the one that give me both in one package. SE's decision to put all frequencies in one phone was the best one ever!
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On 2007-09-21 17:36:50, mib1800 wrote:
I ran a lot of java apps (like google map, yahoo go, gmail, opera mini) on my N95 and there is no issue. So what are you trying to say? Can K850 run these apps?
sure, no problems.
This is most laughable. P1i camera is just dreadful - much worse than N95 with its green tint. Go and check the threads on the problematic P1i camera. There are many threads here.
The P1 pictures I've seen are much clearer and sharper than the N95 pictures I've seen which are overly compressed and muddy. I stand by my statemant until I see anything to change my mind.
Ahem, you like to pay MORE to buy the M2?
No, but I can save money when updating phones. if I was a speed demon, I'd prefer MS for the speed of pc transfers via card reader. But I'll be happy to convert over to SD, I just don't wanna throw out the 14GB or so of M2 memory I'll have when I'm in a position to buy the K850 (4GB stick, then 8GB stick, then K850).
But then when 16GB comes out, I'll ride SD all the way home to 32GB.
I know you dont believe this yourself.
No I was being facetious
It is confusing because to start app, you have to find your java app here instead in your main menu.
this I admit is one of SE ui weakness, and it's related to it's not being a smartphone by heritage. Java apps not shortcutable.
But one key to go from standby to main menu, another to activity menu, honestly not of concern to me. big deal? Ideally though, SE non-smartphone UI will adopt active standby screen (K800 is part way there)
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On 2007-09-21 17:36:50, mib1800 wrote:
On 2007-09-21 17:13:17, max_wedge wrote:
Again your lack of understanding of java multitasking maturity. You think of all non-smartphones in basically the same light - a phone that can't do anything, therefore can't ever overload itself. What prom1 is saying, that for an equivalent application load, K850 will best N95.
I ran a lot of java apps (like google map, yahoo go, gmail, opera mini) on my N95 and there is no issue. So what are you trying to say? Can K850 run these apps?
Wouldn't it be fairer to compare against P1 in these areas? I mean come on! K850 was never intended for wifi markets. And P1 3.2MP camera is STILL better than N95 still camera.
This is most laughable. P1i camera is just dreadful - much worse than N95 with its green tint. Go and check the threads on the problematic P1i camera. There are many threads here.
Ahm, excuse me, but on K850 you actually have the OPTION
Ahem, you like to pay MORE to buy the M2?
All of it.
I know you dont believe this yourself.
Confusing! It's confusing to press the dedicated activity menu button?
What's with pressing the button - user friendly? In S60 you just see everything in the main active standby without needing to press anything,
It is confusing because to start app, you have to find your java app here instead in your main menu.
tervel
Guess what - it might be ONE carrier only, but it's the ONLY 3G+ GSM carrier in the US with over 60mil subscribers. Not to mention that I believe Rogers in Canada also uses the 850/1900 3G frequencies so it's for All of North America. If you live in the states, it's a no brainer - you want ot have HSDPA and a good camera - you get the K850. The ability to travel worldwide with it and the fact that it can fall back on EDGE is a huge plus for anyone who travels too.
N95 has EDGE too. At the very least you still can use the phone and use data. If you live in US/canada you can always buy the US version of N95.
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@mib1800:
- Of course K850 can run those apps. I mean, it's no Nokia. 
- I agree that P1 isn't much of a competitor to the N95.
- You can put both a MicroSD and an M2 in the K850. Considering that, I can't understand your comment.
- Um.. seriously, what's the big deal with pressing a button and going to the activity menu and choosig your app (or quick-closing any app from anywehre)?
- Why would anyone want to buy a separate phone for EDGE? K850 has everything in it. |
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on 2007-09-21 16:09, QVGA wrote:
2- The N95 can probably run the same amount of JAVA applications as K850. The RAM might be a problem with the .sis applications, i'm not sure. And K850 doesnt worry about this because its a Java phone. Every smartphone, even the highest one, even a 5000$ PC will suffer from lack of memory some way or another.
4- Show me a link/source/anything where i can also read that M2 is faster at read/write data than MicroSD. I cannot even begin to tell how expensive M2 is compared to MicroSD.
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on 2007-09-21 16:36 mib1800 wrote:
N95 is also a world phone with its quad band . The only advantage of K850 is that it allows you to use 3G in US on ONE carrier only.
The advantage is - for me - I LIVE in Canada - there IS only 1 provider for GSM/EDGE/3G and EDGE is on 850mhz, 3G is on 850/1900mhz. In the USA we'll see WEST and a few other regional carriers launching 3G.
The N95 original is going on fair market price of some $250-350 cheaper than the 3G N95 (and RIGHT now the $CAN = $US Dollar (give or take a half pence).
on 2007-09-21 16:36 mib1800 wrote:
Not suprising at all. If you run N95 like you do a K850, I am pretty sure you dont have RAM issues either in N95.
There have been MANY reports, enough so that NOkia doubled that ram in the N95/US & N95 8GB versions. However this isn't tested in the field by users that PROOVE it can run several applications simultaneously without slowness. Run Web app (OSS Browser) several heavy news sites simular to cnn.com NO MOBILE sites, Run A-GPS (another improvement to help RAM, not really needed unless double the RAM would be an issue, hmm?), Play a playlist, Run a Java app, and a PDF viewer with 500Kb page document. Now call up your phone application to dialout, WHILE running ALL the above - see how fast your phone application is responsive - which I HIGHLY doubt. E61i can do this without issue, N95 I wouldn't hold much faith in.
This is nitpicking. I dont think it makes much different to press the unlock or slide up.
Dialing a phone is NOT nitpicking. A fool would say that who DOES NOT commute dialy on a packed bus, subway or street car. Grabbing the phone out my pocket with my LEFT hand (I'm right handed) the phone IS SECURE. Using your opposable thumb to slide the phone up means "naturally" your N95/other slider is NOT clasp in your full hand just the tips of your finger tips & the heel of your palm/wrist. Don't think about it just do it. You'll see how natural it is for MOST ppl. Now imagine getting BUMPED and foraging through pairs of feet, the phone getting kicked around, and HOPE some woman with a sexy skirt - sexy enough to distract you, but prude enough to drop a PURSE smack down on your cheek because she caught you looking up! (I watched this happen to a guy just yesterday with HIS N95)!
on 2007-09-21 16:36 mib1800 wrote:
I dont see that much different between SE UI and S60. You may want to enlighten us which part of SE UI that is more intuitive or better than S60
OK, try this on for size. Where is your phone UPDATE? Where is FILE menu?, Where is your COST management information? IT ALL depends on WHICH version of S40 your talking about - 5th EDITION is NOT out yet so NOT comparable. I go into settings and EVERYTHING I'm looking for is intuitively placed. ALL DIsplay settings in the Display TAB, Data/synchronization account settings in Data. IF I highlight a file SEND is usually the first option EVEN if readable in S40, OSE its VIEW, then OPtions - information, manage, etc.
I haven't spent much time on S40 as I an see its NOT intuitive. Active menu does NOT show you an ACTIVE application now does it? Just shorcuts. S40 can ONLY run 1 JAVA app at a time. Don't GET me STARTED with S60 - EVEN Nokia cannot decide on CONCRETE placement of settings, apps etc. I can by the N96, N76, E65/i, E90 and NOT one is the SAME for everything in the menu. Ridiculous. And pressing the END key kills the application - I USE the END key on any other phone that has it hardware dedicated to jump out of any app EFFICIENTLY - 1 click = done!
Regarding S40 - on "current" Wikipedia wrote:
A major limitation in the phone software is that the e-mail client is not integrated with other applications; selecting an e-mail address from the phonebook or clicking on an e-mail link on a web page will not open the e-mail client. Instead a series of other communication methods is offered to contact the address, including SMS text message, MMS messages, all of which are charged a message-based fee by the service provider. Some models even have two e-mail applications; the real IP/GPRS based e-mail client, and an "e-mail" look-alike that tries to send e-mail as text messages through the service provider's SMS/SMTP gateway. Another limitation is that the e-mail client cannot access the phone's filesystem. Photographs taken with the phone's inbuilt digital camera can thus only be sent as MMS messages.
PS I have no freakin NEED nor WANT for GPS. I know where I'm going, I can look up a bloddy map & ask for directions. Nobody would want to kidnap me and drop me in but-funk Idaho/wherever for no reason, and last time I checked - I didn't tick anyone off that much . I'd rather have WiFi of course, but only if SE gives me a 1handed UIQ3.1 phone with WiFi so I can utilize more powerful apps that serve that purpose of WiFi. But in a K850i I'd be blessed. my ONLY possible need for GPS is in a Blackberry where there is an app, service & solution for me to track it IF stolen or my car if THAT gets stolen DIRECTLY on my Blackberry with turn by turn directions with 10 metres or less margin of error.
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@mib; what good is the activity menu on the HOME screen when you want to switch to another application? You no longer HAVE the activity menu. You'd have to goto the home screen, then file through your running apps THEN back into the one you want. SE Activity menu, highlight & select BAM you in your app RIGHT where you left off.
I'm VERY amazed that the K850 can be compared by its camera prowess, quadband EDGE & Tri-band GSM specs along with proper phone calls to a SMARTPHONE! Instead of the S40 class ; because the K850 is in a league of its own. TV out on the 6500 Slide (although a sweet looking phone really) is arcane for video conferencing. I NEED to find a TV to video conference on a MOBILE phone ??? lol gimme a break!
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video capture con SE K850i
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this I admit is one of SE ui weakness, and it's related to it's not being a smartphone by heritage. Java apps not shortcutable.
But one key to go from standby to main menu, another to activity menu, honestly not of concern to me. big deal? Ideally though, SE non-smartphone UI will adopt active standby screen (K800 is part way there)
Didnt you say SE UI is better than "ALL" of S60?
- Um.. seriously, what's the big deal with pressing a button and going to the activity menu and choosig your app (or quick-closing any app from anywehre)?
Nothing wrong there. But it sure is less user friendly than S60. I am just responding to the statement that SE UI triumphs over N95/s60 UI in every aspects.
@prom1
Run Web app (OSS Browser) several heavy news sites simular to cnn.com NO MOBILE sites, Run A-GPS (another improvement to help RAM, not really needed unless double the RAM would be an issue, hmm?), Play a playlist, Run a Java app, and a PDF viewer with 500Kb page document
Does this have anything to do with K850 being better at running Java? As far as I know K850 can't do some of the above because it dont have those functions.
Dialing a phone is NOT nitpicking. A fool would say that who DOES NOT commute dialy on a packed bus, subway or street car. Grabbing the phone out my pocket with my LEFT hand (I'm right handed) the phone IS SECURE. Using your opposable thumb to slide the phone up means "naturally" your N95/other slider is NOT clasp in your full hand just the tips of your finger tips & the heel of your palm/wrist. Don't think about it just do it. You'll see how natural it is for MOST ppl. Now imagine getting BUMPED and foraging through pairs of feet, the phone getting kicked around, and HOPE some woman with a sexy skirt - sexy enough to distract you, but prude enough to drop a PURSE smack down on your cheek because she caught you looking up! (I watched this happen to a guy just yesterday with HIS N95)!
What does this have to do with "which is FASTER in dialing a number?"
Active menu does NOT show you an ACTIVE application now does it? Just shorcuts. S40 can ONLY run 1 JAVA app at a time. Don't GET me STARTED with S60 - EVEN Nokia cannot decide on CONCRETE placement of settings, apps etc. I can by the N96, N76, E65/i, E90 and NOT one is the SAME for everything in the menu
Are we comparing S60 with SE UI? How do you find which apps are running in SE UI? - Press Activity Menu button then scroll to right tab. How do yo do it on S60? - Long Press menu key. Which is more user friendly?
Placement of menu items? S60 allows you to reorder/regroup these apps or setting icons according to your own preferences and logic in the main menu. You can even have sub-folders/menus. SE UI menu organisation is fixed with 12 icons. Where does your install Java apps goes? All lumped together. Good luck with finding the app to launch if you have 100+ Java apps installed.
@mib; what good is the activity menu on the HOME screen when you want to switch to another application? You no longer HAVE the activity menu. You'd have to goto the home screen, then file through your running apps THEN back into the one you want. SE Activity menu, highlight & select BAM you in your app RIGHT where you left off.
Just long press the menu key and the task manager is shown. You can go to any apps easily. Are you sure you have use the S60 UI before?
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And how much is the k850 in the states? Which shop did you buy it from?
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