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joebmc
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Well it was a bit selfish of him not to let it be know world wide from the beginning. No wonder there are so many different religions.
So does that mean the people unaware of Islam should go to hell?
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PeterKay
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Just look how great the Quran really is for a second. It was revealed to an arab and today it is all over the world and children at the age of 12-15 know the full Quran by memory by the Grace of Almighty God.
Islam is known all over the world today for many reasons, so realisitically you cannot say you haven't heard of it! Just look at Gods creation around you, it must make you wonder that there is a being out there controlling this great masterpeice which will one day be turned to dust.
Verse 2 from Chapter 13 states:
Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne of authority, He has subjected the sun and the moon to his Law! Each one runs its course for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
Surely the day will come when we will meet our creator where he will question us regarding this short journey on earth. I pray that he saves us all from his punishment - Amen
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joebmc
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I’m not denying the fact that Islam is a huge religion and now know in almost all parts of the world but there were (and still are) people who have no idea Islam exists.
So my question is if you live a life not following Allah and the Quran because you have never know the existence of them, Are you going to hell for not following them. (according to the Quran)?
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amnesia
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People unaware of Islam do not go to hell... but when it comes to faith it is their duty to try to understand all the religions of the world and choose the right one.
Right can either mean, what a Muslim thinks is right or a Chrisitian thinks is right
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what that person perceives to be the best choice.
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amnesia
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" i no i aint n there aint n aint gonna b to much good luk for me *coff coff*
I have had sum gud luk tho "
I've decyphered it!
Everyone gather round. I think he's saying, I know I'm not that religious (i'm know I'm not in there), and due to that fact there wont be much luck for me in the future (there isn't going to be oo much good luck for me), HOWEVER I have had some good luck (i have had had some good luck though).
now comes the rest of the discussion as he thought it would be easy to insinuate.
So, knowing what I have already said, do you believe in religion even though good things still happen to those without a faith?
I did it guys didn't i?
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joebmc
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People unaware of Islam do not go to hell... but when it comes to faith it is their duty to try to understand all the religions of the world and choose the right one.
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So Allah does not care about these people then? Why he hasn't bothered to reach these people and teach them the ways of the Quran?
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amnesia
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@ Joe, where did you get that from?
"So Allah does not care about these people then? Why he hasn't bothered to reach these people and teach them the ways of the Quran? "
Read what I wrote again, I never once said someone goes to hell in my sentence or that Allah does not care about these people.
(God = Allah btw, he's the same guy)
if God didn't care about people, we wouldn't have religion to help guide us.
You can't say that he has not bothered to reach these people. He has, by bringing down the religion and saying that we should try to better the lives of other individuals and let them see the light.
Why doesn't God show the way in Christianity, why doesn't Buddha come down and show people that he is real?
Life is not that simple. if it was, we wouldn't need faith.
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scotsboyuk
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@amnesia
Why would the Buddha reappear? He was a human being, he made no pretence to divinity and admitted his own weaknesses. Buddhists do not worship the Buddha anymore than they worship a slice of toast; they respect the Buddha and follow his teachings, but he is not a god.
It's actually a rather interesting point joe raises and one I have considered before. Take Christianity for example, what about all the people who lived before Jesus, are they denied Heaven? Will they be saved too? Will those who lived before Islam be allowed into Paradise? Will those who live today, but have no knowledge of Islam be allowed into Paradise?
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joebmc
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I guess I mean (and this can be said of most religions) why did a “god” choose only a certain part of the world to reveal that said god’s religion/teachings?
It’s a little unfair on people who never got the teachings or even knew of there existence to be cast to hell when they die for not worshipping a god they had no knowledge of! |
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Verse 44 from Chapter 41 states:
Had We sent this as a Quran in the language other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! a Book not in Arabic and a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their eyes: They are as it were being called from a place far distant!"
How true, it is a guide and healing for those who believe and those who do not believe. Why arabic Joe asked, well the verse above tells us that the messenger it was revealed to was an arab so the language of the Quran is arabic and how beautiful the language truly is.
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joebmc
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True it would be strange if the messenger was Arabic but the Quran was written in German. But it still doesn’t answer why god (any god) didn’t at the same time spread his word throughout the entire world. And if he did decide to chose one part of the world I would of thought Africa to be the right place (as that’s where apparently where all descended from).
I’m sorry if you Muslims guy’s are getting annoyed by my constant questioning but most of the question I ask can be said for most religions, I only direct them at you because this thread is imo very Muslim populated and I think I’ll get answers (well most) from you guys. Also imo Muslims and Christians are the two main religions most talk about and are followed by dedicated follows who will try there hardest to prove there religion right (and dismiss any other religions with out doubt). |
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No need to apologise Joe for the questioning, you have a right to ask questions as we would do for other religions. The answer to your question Joe is that the bottom line is that our Creator Almighty Allah has sent down many religious scriptures to different messengers and the final revelation is The Quran. Each book revealed to each messenger was in their own land but as we see today it spreads all over the globe by the grace of Almighty Allah.
It is the duty of every human to find out what the truth is, this is why i always thank Allah for giving me Islam from birth. I am very lucky and i totally appreciate what i have.
Verse 41 from Chapter 35 states:
It is Allah Who sustains the heavens and the earth, lest they cease to function: and if they should fail, there is none - not one - can sustain them thereafter: Verily He is Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving.
He is often forgiving and most merciful. He will forgive whom he wishes, he is the greatest and full of wisdom.
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@scotsboyuk
Those that lived before Christianity i think followed Judaism?
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scotsboyuk
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@vanquish
A very small part of the world's population was Jewish and Judaism was very much centred in the Middle East and North Africa at that time. What about the millions of other people around the world? What about the people who had no viable way of learning of either Judaism, Christianity or Islam until well after each had been founded e.g. native Americans, Aboriginies, Pacific Islanders, etc?
Are such people condemned because they could not follow a certain religion through no fault of their own? Is there special provision for them?
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solidsingh
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ik onkar, satnam : there is but one god, truth is his name
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