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amnesia
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I would love to see a picture of it in the dark.
Purple Light! WOOOOT!
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nils7
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still nothing on www.sonyericsson.com/p910 also the P910 disappeared again from the dutch  website  |
tommo21
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It's on the Norwegian site along with the K500i, but no Z500i! |
Supa_Fly
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Gigs mentioned (on page3) "As far as I can see are making it a smarter smart phone, I doubt they'll release a completely new one until the new symbian is available.(makes sense) but an upgrade in the mean time for new owners and current p800 owners looking to upgrade IS a good thing. "
someone else metioned that more people that don't have an SE phone then one's that do....
that latter may be right but the tide IS changing especially according to recent quarterly results that beat Wall St analysts expectations considerably.
Gigs sorry to you and everyone else I love the design of the P900 very much but I feel this was a Nokia job.
First there is NO EDGE support.....think about this Ericsson makes and supports THE MOST AMOUNT of 3G networks amongs Nokia & the CDMA king Qualcomm on a worldwide basis. They knew EDGE is important because they DID announce the s700 without it and then today the s700a WITH EDGE!!! this phone has a megapixel camera.
Second, nice screen resolution 262,000 colors+, but WHAT good IS IT IF you only got a VGA cam resolution to take photos and videos with. -->big screwup here (think about usuability)
Third & Fourth, and speaking about usuability, look at the success with Handsring's (now PalmOne's) Treo 600. Huge amount of apps & usuability of the device especially with the qwerty keyboard. That said SE learned that they MUST include a qwerty keyboard yet they implemented it in an asinine way????!!!! Think of all of you wanting to buy the p910 how brave are you to hold the flip lid ALONE to thumb text entry while the weight of the phone fights you while to attempt to do so??? DO you think the hinge is strong enough? I doubt it is!! And for you ought there that WILL use the qwerty keyboard imagine how you'll hold it steady using your fingers to text entry at a high speed (25+ wpm) to do so. From my imagination it doesn't look good. My 4th, and an arguement to disagree with Gigs is the Symbian OS is now at version 8!! Nokia , sorry to curse again but, is going to ship the 6630 WITH version 8, the recent 7200 model with 1.3MP Cam has version 7. There is NO excuse to be stuck with 7 with no 1.3 Cam.
Oh 5th there is NO mention of increased CPU speed or even a higher class GPRS radio?? Also no mention of one hand operation with the UIQ interface?! Come-on boys did Sony yank your balls and tell you, at Ericsson, that this model would cannibalize sales of the s700?? IT SHOULD ITS THE TOP LINE for your marketing model on a worldwide basis!!!!
Whew with all that said I think that this is to attract non-previous owners to purchase, but for those that already own the P900 - it'll suck to see those beautiful images from s700 owner's MMS'ing you with their 1.3 MP cams or from other phones and realizing you cam is smaller than there's hehe (think of your bulge). Hehehe.
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On 2004-07-16 02:17:24, Prom1 wrote:
First there is NO EDGE support.....think about this Ericsson makes and supports THE MOST AMOUNT of 3G networks amongs Nokia & the CDMA king Qualcomm on a worldwide basis. They knew EDGE is important because they DID announce the s700 without it and then today the s700a WITH EDGE!!! this phone has a megapixel camera. |
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and with that megapixel camera the S700 possibly has more use for EDGE. but the fact is EDGE isn't that important, particularly in the many worldwide markets that won't support it at all, and SE know this.
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| Second, nice screen resolution 262,000 colors+, but WHAT good IS IT IF you only got a VGA cam resolution to take photos and videos with. -->big screwup here (think about usuability) |
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Well yes, think about usability, and your answer is blindingly obvious. There's been no "screw up". The P910 is a multimedia phone with a LARGE screen that also happens to be the primary user interface - you can be sure they'll improve it every time they revisit the design, and that has NOTHING to do with the camera. They could rip the camera out completely in the P1000 and it's a safe bet they'd still improve on the screen, assuming it was possible.
Of course the camera has been improved - it's now the better quality (tho same resolution) unit from the K700. Why isn't is the same as the S700's? Because business people don't need that, and don't want to pay for that, simple.
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| Third & Fourth, and speaking about usuability, look at the success with Handsring's (now PalmOne's) Treo 600. Huge amount of apps & usuability of the device especially with the qwerty keyboard. |
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Bunkum. The "huge amount of apps" are thanks to the long-established Palm user/developer base, and have little to do with the Treo. Considering the base they both had to start on, SE's Px00 series is both a more innovative and more successful product.
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| That said SE learned that they MUST include a qwerty keyboard yet they implemented it in an asinine way????!!!! |
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More rubbish. They didn't have to include a keyboard at all, they've been doing perfectly well with just the keypad and touchscreen, and it's notable that by adding it now they've become the ONLY manufacturer to cover all the bases. Which input method you choose has always been personal choice, and there's never been any hard and fast rule about which is most popular, but now the P910 supports all of them..
As for the "asinine" implementation, the only reviewer that's actually tried it (eldar) says it works just fine. What makes you think you know better?
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| Think of all of you wanting to buy the p910 how brave are you to hold the flip lid ALONE to thumb text entry while the weight of the phone fights you while to attempt to do so??? DO you think the hinge is strong enough? I doubt it is!! |
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Again, Eldar says it is, and he's actually tried one. You know, in his hands. For real. You'll get to try one too, soon, in the shop before you buy.
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| And for you ought there that WILL use the qwerty keyboard imagine how you'll hold it steady using your fingers to text entry at a high speed (25+ wpm) to do so. From my imagination it doesn't look good. |
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Oh, it doesn't look good in your imagination? Can you post some pics?
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And what was Symbian 8 going to give us? Why do we need that on this phone? What's the advantage we're missing out on there? Have you the faintest idea, or are you just playing the highest-number-is-best game?
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| Oh 5th there is NO mention of increased CPU speed or even a higher class GPRS radio?? Also no mention of one hand operation with the UIQ interface?! |
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Higher CPU speed = higher battery drain - no thanks, absolutely no need, especially not with the extra memory provided. There is no higher GPRS aside from EDGE (E-GPRS), so forget that. One handed operation? That's called flip up.
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| Come-on boys did Sony yank your balls and tell you, at Ericsson, that this model would cannibalize sales of the s700?? IT SHOULD ITS THE TOP LINE for your marketing model on a worldwide basis!!!! |
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Nope, it's top of their communicator/smartphone line. That does not mean it has to beat the S700, which is a (very nice) toy for home users, and become more expensive, larger, heavier, slower, etc just to have "1.3" stamped on the back.
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That seems about the size of it. |
sxt173
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Will it have Blackberry functionality?
I thought the whole business sell for the keyboard was having blackberry functionality without an incredibly ugly Blackberry.
(SE) had previous press release noting a partnership (first in industry) with RIM (producers of Blackberry), licensing the Blackberry push software.
So, SE did not mention the RIM email system amongst all the supported push-email software. Any ideas??? |
Arne Anka
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On 2004-07-16 03:14:01, Boinng wrote:
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| Think of all of you wanting to buy the p910 how brave are you to hold the flip lid ALONE to thumb text entry while the weight of the phone fights you while to attempt to do so??? DO you think the hinge is strong enough? I doubt it is!! |
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Again, Eldar says it is, and he's actually tried one. You know, in his hands. For real. You'll get to try one too, soon, in the shop before you buy.
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Also confirmed by Michal Jerz at MySymbian. The keyboard is very sturdy.
http://my-symbian.com/uiq/p910_review.php
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On 2004-07-16 03:19:41, sxt173 wrote:
Will it have Blackberry functionality?
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One more time from SE pressrelease:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/s[....]=pc1_1_1&zone=pc&lm=&prid=1982
Sony Ericsson is collaborating with a wide range of e-mail providers, which makes the P910 the perfect e-mail platform, as in addition to Smartner it also supports IBM, Extended Systems, Visto, RIM BlackBerry, Seven and IntelliSync.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2004-07-16 02:31 ] |
stewart01
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@sxt173
Yes, it has Blackberry support... read the specs and press release 
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Supa_Fly
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Boinng
"Bunkum. The "huge amount of apps" are thanks to the long-established Palm user/developer base, and have little to do with the Treo. Considering the base they both had to start on, SE's Px00 series is both a more innovative and more successful product."
Really, the P900 more successful on a WorldWide basis?? How many worldwide providers offer or ever offered the P900 compared to the Treo 600 & HOW long did it take for those providers? the Treo600 has been around since (announced August 2003) October 2003 (launched) and still growing contracts (TIM in Italy is negotiating currently). Now I could be wrong but I haven't seen data to support your claim.
"Of course the camera has been improved - it's now the better quality (tho same resolution) unit from the K700. Why isn't is the same as the S700's? Because business people don't need that, and don't want to pay for that, simple."
>>I didn't see anything in the press release of improvement in the camera comparing to the K700: if this is from a user then thats still subjective and not what SE from a Product Quality Control will implement nor guarantee. WHat do you mean business people don't need that. Have you seen the lumber and home improvement, and home sales market here in North America for the past 3 years? Real Estate agents love great quality camera smartphones and have the cash for data transmission which I'll argue later. The average user, of which is obvious will be purchasing this device ISNT the target market. Smartphones by definition are for the business class user and thus camera functionality, although can be a crux for locations that have banned them, the upper echlons don't go through the read tape.
"More rubbish. They didn't have to include a keyboard at all, they've been doing perfectly well with just the keypad and touchscreen, and it's notable that by adding it now they've become the ONLY manufacturer to cover all the bases. Which input method you choose has always been personal choice, and there's never been any hard and fast rule about which is most popular, but now the P910 supports all of them."
>>Really you honestly believe that?? Now you mentioned that business people don't need a camera in a phone. Lets just think for a moment how fast you if using this device or ANYONE without arthritis or any limitation or deformity in their dexterity with their digits can enter data in an email/SMS/Contact/Memo/ToDoList. Using the stylus in "hunt & peck mode" in a virtual software keyboard, or with character recognition, and the thumb keyboard, I'm willing to place a challenge on ANYONE that can better with character input or hunt & peck with a 35word or longer entry faster than they can with the thumb-board. Since the Blackberry multiple devices are including the thumboard (Motorola MPx, HP H6315, Treo 180kb/270/600,heck Ericsson even had the thumboard clip on for the T-28w/T-36m phones.). Look at the sales of the BlackBerry and the Treo600 and YOU"ll see how much rubbish including the NEED for a keyboard on a smartphone with current technology is!! True its all about choice, and its not about which is more popular its about which is more effecient, in this world efficiency of sending, retrieving, recording, and placing down/up your data is crucial especially for business users.
"As for the "asinine" implementation, the only reviewer that's actually tried it (eldar) says it works just fine. What makes you think you know better?"
>>Well I don't know better, but that hinge isn't too sturdy or won't be over the course of say 8 mths or longer IF you HOLD it ONLY by the FLIP-Lid. (PS you didn't have to be ridulous regarding my imagination --its pretty straight forward that you'd understand what I meant and could use a bit of yours to see it in your own minds eye; isn't that what developers do when creating a new software for a platform? Isnt that what forums with discussion threads are for? Guessing SE DID read many threads here and around the Internet with users wanting a keyboard that isn't software based only. Look around the internet for the accolades the Treo600 device has gotten along with four, no 5 major wireless providers offering it and growing (Tmobile US,Cingular,AT&TWireless,Orange UK,Sprint US,and now Verizon US; I haven't looked for more in the UK) So its keyboard is with the contractual aggreements PROVING along with SALES & new CONTRACTS with clients prefer its keyboard OVER the BlackBerry devices! PS what makes you think you could argue that it isn't otherwise, more than my arguement that it is??!!
"And what was Symbian 8 going to give us? Why do we need that on this phone? What's the advantage we're missing out on there? Have you the faintest idea, or are you just playing the highest-number-is-best game?"
>>Symbian 8?? well form this site in regards to UIQ3 and one-handed use...(http://www.uiq.com/uiq3) and quote ""With both the P800 and P900 smartphones enjoying great market success, we are excited about the announcement of the further expanded capabilities of UIQ 3.0, enabling development of both one-handed and pen-based smartphones, which will enable Sony Ericsson to take advantage of the growing market demand for Symbian OS phones," said Per Aspemar, Vice President and Deputy Head of Product Development. We are delighted about the unique opportunities that UIQ 3.0 provides mobile phone manufacturers, application developers and operators." 4th paragraph down.
also.....(http://www.symbian.com/media/2004/pr040223c.html) New ‘hard’ real-time capabilities – a core technology improvement that enhances the performance of Symbian OS and enables handset manufacturers to use ‘single core’ processors that integrate telephony and application processing, substantially reducing Symbian OS phone build cost.
* Java – Symbian OS v8.0’s enhanced Java gives developers the opportunity to access the functionality and performance of Symbian OS to create advanced Java-based applications and services. Fully compliant with network operator Java specifications and Java Community Process standards, Symbian OS v8.0 offers Java MIDP 2.0 (JSR118), CLDC1.1 (JSR139), MobileMedia (JSR135), 3D graphics (JSR184), JTWI 1.0 compliance (JSR185) and CLDC HI 1.1 Java VM optimised for Symbian OS.
* SDIO – support for the SDIO standard gives Symbian OS licensees the option of incorporating SD memory expansion as well as I/O ports that allow phones to acquire new features such as digital TV tuning or fingerprint recognition, without increasing the phone’s size or circuit complexity.
Java mentioned about will help its contractual success along with SDIO for other manufacturers options.
also....http://www.symbian.com/technology/symbos-v8x-det.html#31
3.1.3. EDGE
The Enhanced Data-rates for Global Evolution (EDGE) framework provides an abstract telephony interface for 3GPP GSM/EDGE. In addition to supporting the GSM and GPRS functionality described above, its main features are:
* supports EDGE enhanced CSD (ECSD)
* supports EDGE enhanced GPRS (EGPRS).
IPv4/v6 stack – the TCP/IP stack provides a plug-in architecture. Plug-ins can interact with OSI level 2, 3 and 4 components and can be installed, loaded and unloaded at runtime. IP-based Symbian OS clients such as email, HTTP, SSL, Java MIDP, SyncML over HTTP and web can use IPv6 addressing as well as IPv4 addressing (from the Networking section)
"Higher CPU speed = higher battery drain - no thanks, absolutely no need, especially not with the extra memory provided. There is no higher GPRS aside from EDGE (E-GPRS), so forget that. One handed operation? That's called flip up."
>>Ever hear of MIPS?? I should've been more clear that I meant better performing CPU as apposed to leaving it not listed from SE in this area. Texas Instruments has great expertise in better performing CPU's that are at 200Mhz and still provide better batter performance. I was hoping from SE to bear mention of this.
"but the fact is EDGE isn't that important, particularly in the many worldwide markets that won't support it at all, and SE know this."
>>EDGE isn't important in markets that don't support it;this isn't an excuse not to implement a radio that can do GSM/GPRS/EDGE seemlessly. EDGE IS VERY IMPORTANT in markets that DO support it. Think of Quality of service for W-CDMA networks that have ALSO implemented EDGE (TIM in Italy comes to mind) the drop in data rates WCDMA to EDGE will NOT only allow wider coverage in ANY given area (also does so for GPRS networks) but allows seemless transfer over to EDGE data rates. EDGE also allows a cheaper upgrade than WCDMA does, and allows more users to be connected to ANY given tower at any given time for data/voice, and allows users to enjoy less cross-talk (rare but happens),and allows for video conferencing PERFECT for business users, FUN for the consumers that have the dough for it. Ericsson.com has gots LOTS of info regarding EDGE and if you think from a consumer/provider standpoint that it isn't important.....imagine those users in their farm that can still stream a video clip with EDGE support in the countryside which GPRS coverage previously didn't allow.
And from the link graciously provided by Arne...http://my-symbian.com/uiq/p910_review.php
"The flip seems to be much more solid and durable. It is slightly thicker and its spring mechanism is much better. It requires some force to both open it and also to close it, which is a very good thing as it keeps the flip in place when typing on its internal keypad." & "The inside part of the flip now contains a QWERTY keypad. It can be used to enter text in all applications, with other options (virtual keyboard, handwriting in Flip open mode and Multitap/T9 in Flip closed mode) still available as alternate input methods. This makes the P910 the only smartphone with all three input methods available by default. The keys are quite small but their convex shape makes typing relatively easy and convenient. Of course, the keypad cannot be compared with full keyboards like 9500's but it can be considered a very useful addition to quickly enter short texts (e.g. SMS messages or emails) on the move and it makes it possible to input data without stylus also in Flip open (or removed) mode."
>>This doesn't say ANYTHING regarding the way it was held to determine that its more "solid and durable" let alone let us readers know what the flexibility limit is!!!! |
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Yesterday on the Swedish news they talked about how good its going for Sony Ericsson at the moment. Big profits and shares are rising value.
And they also showed the new phones.
Including the P910.
Sooo Coool.
The man was typing on the keyboard and held it with both hands writing with the thumbs.
Never thought I would like to replace my P900.... Now I WANT THE P910!!!
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On 2004-07-16 02:17:04, tommo21 wrote:
It's on the Norwegian site along with the K500i, but no Z500i!
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And to be more specific its over here.
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richard8882
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P910 looks good especially with increased memory capacities...
hmmmm... wonder if SE will consider upgrading users with p900 to p910... if not, i will probably stick with my 5 month old P900..
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Well that may be correct but isn’t that a bit stupid when u want to sell a phone. I don’t think that a lot of buyers will read the press announcement for the phone... |
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On 2004-07-15 12:04:42, jcwhite_uk wrote:
Why do people ask for SE to update the P900 and then complain when they get what they asked for. There is no satisfying some people.
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Because we asked for AN UPDATE TO THE P900, not a new F***ing phone!!! Why couldnt help us to update our P900s rather than releasing a whole new phone which is going to cost another £500 and is not significantly different from the P900 I already have??
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Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! All this emotion! SE have done extremely well then. I don't remember a SE release which raised such a amount of dust!
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