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brix25 Joined: Aug 20, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Cape Town, South Africa PM, WWW
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Just heard this morning that the phone will only be available in around the world in December. It has not even passes FCC approval in the US and it should be available there in June
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aafshari Joined: Mar 16, 2003 Posts: 41 PM |
A device without keypad is never called a mobile phone.
I agree the design and the user interface is cool but only worth try for proffesionals, even I think it should be used as a second fancy phone.
I hope they can be smart enough as they announced it now they should start sale specially we will have CEBIT soon and forsure there will be a killer from SE so Apple should now concentrate on the next phone by mid of summer otherwise they can not get any of other competitors market share only a small room for Apple and some IPOD lovers.
Just think about a gaming mobile phone with a touch screen by
Sony Ericsson and keypad and compare what you will have with a normal ordinary iPhone.
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T-mobile Joined: Nov 12, 2002 Posts: 222 From: Greece PM |
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On 2007-01-10 00:40:20, rhett121 wrote:
Where do you guys live that "FM radio" is so wonderful?
I NEVER listen to the radio! Not in my home, not in my car, not on my phone! It's nothing but advertising and the incoherent ramblings of idiot shock-jocks. When they do play music it always the same 3 freaking songs. I swear, listen to the radio some day and you will hear the same shit over and over again. I would rather decide what music I listen to and not have to suffer through the senseless tripe that network radio offers.
I've used the radio in my w810i once, to see if it worked.
p.s. I do occasionally listen to NPR when I can (when I am in an area that offers an NPR station, where I live doesn't) otherwise I download the Podcast versions of the shows.
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Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean that nobody in this earth thinks that FM-tuner is a must. I respect your personal preferences, but don't try to generalize them, because it is not mature. You use "I" all the time.
Also the ipods are almost the only mp3 players nowadays that they insist not integrading an FM-tuner. Even the cheapest mp3 player out there has one. It is great to listen to news and other stuff and some music sometimes that you don't have.
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nog00der Joined: Feb 12, 2004 Posts: 11 PM |
you guys go ahead and argue amongst yourselves. iphone changes everything. the bar has been raised for all other mfg's and if they ever do catch up a newer iphone will already be there to take the lead! to those that dont have ipods because they want to "stand out" man you are missing out! they will gain considerable market share in an absurdly short amout of time, and theres nothin to stop that! come june, ill never have to deal with SE or Nokia crap again! |
vigants Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 35 From: Latvia PM, WWW
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I think we will not see iPhone in Europe before 2008... and Apple in Europe is not so popular as in USA.
I think Apple in this case is biggest treat is for Motorolla... and in some parts for Sony Ericsson Walkman series
But don't be sad!
Competition allway's gives us a new and beautifull things! Maybe SE will release somethin even more interesting (with GPS, Radio, 3G and in future mindreader etc.)
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SE4NICK Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: > 500 From: Australia PM |
SE have time to make a better phone, maybe with some keys for us
sms-ers out their.
kk some really bad stuff about iphone
brick size not convienient
screen scratches really easy
finger touch screen just screems "smudge magnet"
majority of people wont have a hope of using touch screen
sms will be hard to do
teenagers wont by this as they cant afford it, to big cant sms well
looks like an old pda phone
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Guy H Joined: Feb 19, 2004 Posts: > 500 From: UK PM |
How can anybody comment on how the phone will feel top use or how good the interface is, is beyond me. You've not used it. you've seen a few videos of it. I'm also pretty much certain people will find it a pain to text quickly on but I'll reserve that judgement until I'VE TRIED ONE |
masseur Joined: Jan 03, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Sydney, London PM |
...and with 8+ months for them to refine it until its release there is plenty of time for them to improve things
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pinolo77 Joined: Jan 17, 2002 Posts: 390 From: Lugaggia, Switzerland PM |
Apple has done something great!
They took a whole different approach.
ALL phone manufacturers started creating mobile phones for voice calls, then added some sms's and slowly other features.
In 2007 content is where the big money is!
Now... Let us look at the current mobile phone market. A giant struggle is taking place.
Manufacturers build great phones capable of everything, but that is a "one stop shop". Once you buy the phone the manufacturer has pretty much done its business. Content providers charge so much for UMTS data traffic that manufacturers are not able to deliver content on their phones using that technology. Providers create music, images, screensavers and so on... And make a lot of money out of it.
Apple simply chose to bypass content providers avoiding UMTS alltogether. APPLE delivers content to APPLE phones through Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, computer and so on...
Think about it: Wi-Fi is more and more available, Wi-Max is just around the corner and mobile phones will be capable of VoIP.
In my opinion it is not SonyEricsson or Nokia who are worrying right now, but rather Orange, Vodafone, Telefonica and other content providers.
They will be left empty handed if other manufacturers follo Apple in creating "network independent" devices (i.e. devices that allow you to get your content without using the expensive mobile data protocols actually being used).
SonyEricsson did one major mistake, for which Sony is entirely to blame: they failed to capitalize on their content! They only embedded brands and logos on their phones, NOT content. Software has always been a big issue for Sony. Technically their devices are top notch, but usability wise you need a Ph.D. to be able to operate them! (think about a Disc2Phone software which is NOT available for Mac, doesn't allow you to purchase any Sony tunes or MOVIES, doesn't even allow you to create proper playlists to be directly sync-ed to your phone....).
Manufacturers will eventually get the message, whereas operators will be left empty handed...
Apple started creating a phone from a whole different perspective. This device is a content container BEFORE being a mobile phone. It has music, movies, internet, email and everything else and BESIDES all that, you are also able to make calls.
Look at the poll on this website...
How big is the percentage of people making video phone calls? Ridiculous to say the least.
No one is using UMTS as it was thought...
How many of you use PC/Mac or Bluetooth or eventually Wi-Fi to dowload content on their phones?
How many of you use UMTS?
That is the main point in which Apple did a great job. I bet Apple's phone will not be backed by operators in Europe because for them it will be a huge REVENUE LOSS phone.
No one will use their networks, all the money will go to Apple, since all content will be delievered by them, without using the expensive mobile networks (only the "cheap" GSM net and only for calls and some RSS feeds download).
Nokia, SonyEricsson, Samsung, Motorola will step on the bandwagon if they are smart enough and leave operators with a traffic less UMTS network, getting all the content money.
Apple phone finally goes beyond a silly competition between manufacturers and operators that, in a couple of years, started creating "clone phones" (all Vodafone Live branded phones look the same, regardless of manufacturer) and was a huge disadvantage for customers.
Content is the way to go to make money... Apple realized it with iPod and this pays a lot!
That is how I see things... I am really interested in hearing other opinions as well.
Please not that the schenario I described will take at least a couple of years to take place, but we nevertheless start to see some changes in this regard.
Of course Nokia and Ericsson will have some "internal" issues before a strategy change can take place since they both deliever network hardware to operators...
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aafshari Joined: Mar 16, 2003 Posts: 41 PM |
So as I can Tell you iPhone is the one who should prepare for a challange and they are the one who must improve to just come beyond the others.
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ares Joined: Dec 11, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Coimbra, Portugal PM |
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No one will use their networks, all the money will go to Apple, since all content will be delievered by them, without using the expensive mobile networks (only the "cheap" GSM net and only for calls and some RSS feeds download). |
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So the iphone is the end of European Mobile Operators, and GSM will go away because of it??? Please...i thought i heard crazyness enough from apple fanbys
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pinolo77 Joined: Jan 17, 2002 Posts: 390 From: Lugaggia, Switzerland PM |
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On 2007-01-10 10:44:45, ares wrote:
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No one will use their networks, all the money will go to Apple, since all content will be delievered by them, without using the expensive mobile networks (only the "cheap" GSM net and only for calls and some RSS feeds download). |
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So the iphone is the end of European Mobile Operators, and GSM will go away because of it??? Please...i thought i heard crazyness enough from apple fanbys
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That is not what I wanted to say... What I meant is that the Apple phone will not use networks to download content (it will be done through Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and PC/Mac and NOT through UMTS). This content will be delievered by Apple to its users (not by Vodafone or Orange or Telefonica or whatever).
It will put a LOT of pressure on the already very expensive UMTS network, since the big money to pay for the licenses for building these network was meant to come from the content delievered through them.
Failing to recognize this and telling me I am "crazy Mac fanby" is not exactly what I expected when I said I wanted to hear other opinions... On the other hand you are entitled to have your own.
Please DEMONSTRATE that this phone concept (NOT THE APPLE PHONE ITSELF BUT RATHER THE CONCEPT BEHIND IT) will not put operators under a lot of pressure if it is going to be adopded by other manufacturers as well!
I never said GSM is dead... I said UMTS will be... Unless prices drop dramatically.
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goldenface Joined: Dec 17, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: Liverpool City Centre PM |
@Pinnolo77
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That is not what I wanted to say... What I meant is that the Apple phone will not use networks to download content (it will be done through Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and PC/Mac and NOT through UMTS). This content will be delievered by Apple to its users (not by Vodafone or Orange or Telefonica or whatever).
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Handsets in the UK are heavily subsidised and one of the reasons for this is operators DO offer their own content - Orange Music Store etc.
If the iPhone won't allow users to purchase Operators own content, or makes it easier to get it elsewhere, then it simply won't be picked up by the operators.
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Ibinco Joined: Jan 22, 2004 Posts: 383 From: Holland PM |
User content wether provided by network operator or not has never really interested me and the large majority of people still buy a phone to make calls and sms, just like the majority of ipod users dont buy tunes through itunes. So i wont be missing GPRS/UMTS and all that highy overpriced kaka provided services by operators nor will i bebuying tracks through itunes. The iphone looks amaizing(nokia could learn something from this) its got OS X (smartphone) and has the qualities of an ipod. That sounds like a winning combo and is enough for me to wanna go get it. Now if Apple inc could/would start providing quality user content for a decent price i think that Nokia and SE and the lame overpriced operators content are in for the fight of their lives. Cant wait to get it
P.S and if the operators dont pick it up....i honestly dont mind, the trend is that operators are now subsidizing handsets less and less cause they realized that this doesnt lead to any sort of long term customer relationship and its only costing them cash(which they would otherwise try to earn back through services once u sign on) SO if anything Apple picked the right time to jump into the market)
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shaliron Joined: Jan 15, 2006 Posts: > 500 From: Melbourne, Australia PM |
Won't even come to Australia until Q1 2008 Seriously, this is pretty poor.
It's not really that different to the rest of what's on the market IMO. No 3G, bu the time it's released 3.5G will be becoming mainstream. Camera is probably iffy, battery is going to be sub-par (but for an Apple that's normal ), smsing is going to be a chore and overall, I'd rather pick up a phone.
I do commend the slimness, but something's gotta give...
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