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solidsingh
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sorry did i miss the bit where joe was in pain knowing that the quran hasnt changed?
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PeterKay
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Verse 29 from Chapter 39 from the only revelation not to have changed states:
We have put forth for men, in this Quran every kind of Parable, in order that they may receive admonition.
Amazing Miracles from The Holy Quran:
Dunia (one name for life) 115.
Aakhirat (one name for the life after this world) 115
Malaika (Angels) 88
Shayteen (Satan) 88
Life 145
Death 145
Benefit 50
Corrupt 50
People 50
Messengers 50
Eblees (king of devils) 11
Seek refuge from Eblees 11
Museebah (calamity) 75
Thanks ! 75
Spending (Sadaqah) 73
Satisfaction 73
People who are mislead 17
Dead people 17
Muslimeen 41
J Jihad 41
Gold 8
Easy life 8
Magic 60
Fitnah (dissuasion) 60
Zakat (Taxes Muslims pay to the poor) 32
Barakah (Increasing or blessings of wealth) 32
Mind 49
N Noor 49
Tongue 25
S Sermon 25
Desite 8
Fear 8
Speaking publicly 18
Publicising 18
Hardship 114
Patience 114
Muhammad 4
Sharee'ah (Muhammed's teachings) 4
Imam(A.S.)= 12 ,
The word Imam is mentioned 12 times in the Quran.
Man 24
Woman 24
And amazingly enough have a look how many times
the following words appear:
Salat (prayer)5 , Month 12 , Day 365 ,
Sea 32 , Land 13
Sea + land = 32+ 13= 45
Sea = 32/45*100q.=71.11111111%
Land = 13/45*100 = 28.88888889%
Sea + land 100.00%
Modern science has only recently proven that the water covers
71.111% of the earth, while the land covers 28.889%.
Is this a coincidence? Question is that
Who taught Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) all this?
Reply automatically comes in mind that
ALMIGHTY ALLAH taught him.
Which other book on this planet has this kind of miracle?
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dealer3
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so much evidence in so much detail...
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Isn't there codes in the Torah and the Bible? I believe there was a U.S. military committee set up to examine apparently predicative codes found in either the Torah or the Bible.
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PeterKay
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How much more proof can someone want regarding the truth but if there is a veil over their eyes, what can we do?
Verse 22 from Chapter 39 states:
Is one whose heart Allah has opened to Islam, so that he has received Enlightenment from Allah, no better than one hard-hearted? Woe to those whose hearts are hardened against celebrating the praises of Allah. they are manifestly wandering in error!
Great words from our Creator, 'wander' in this world as you wish but you are in serious error. How long are you going to live? possibly 70 years or max 100 years? If you fail to realise the truth then you are surely in manifest error as The Almighty One has stated in the verse above. Life if a short journey for mankind, every living soul will taste death and then comes the eternal life which has been promised for all. Some will be in Hell Fire and Some will be under Gardens of Bliss and happiness.
I pray to Almighty Allah that he saves us ALL from Hell Fire and i pray he makes us all realise the truth before it's too late.
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scotsboyuk
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@Peter
The thing about 'truth' is that it can change depending upon one's perspective.
It's interesting that so many religions focus very much on what comes after this life. The goodness that they proscribe is sometimes in preperation for what comes after this existence rather than because of this existence.
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PeterKay
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What i am mentioning is the Islamic perspective and what we believe.
In all honesty i am so lucky to be a muslim and a believer of the Holy Quran, such a great revelation it is.
Verse 109 from chapter 18 states:
Say: "If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid."
Allah is the Greatest, to him belong all the best names. Glory be to Allah the Sublime the Manifest and May Allah shower blessings peace, and salutations to the Final messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Amen
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scotsboyuk
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@Peter
Yes I know, but I was responding to this comment:
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It has a rather general feel to it, which I thought I would respond to.
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slattery69
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On 2005-10-21 16:48:35, scotsboyuk wrote:
Isn't there codes in the Torah and the Bible? I believe there was a U.S. military committee set up to examine apparently predicative codes found in either the Torah or the Bible.
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there has been claims of codes in both those books, strangely enough they always relate to events that have happened not what maybe and most of the codes have also been called into question by scholars as well.
its easys to find a code for something thats already happened , watched a program on it and they took a book and made up a code to show 9/11 |
PeterKay
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No probs, fair comment.
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scotsboyuk
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@slattery
The committee I mentioned was also looking at predictions of future events I believe. As far as I remember there were some reasonably high ranking people involved.
Having said that I do take your point.
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Islam recognizes the divine origins of the earlier Hebrew and Christian Scriptures and represents itself as both a restoration and a continuation of their traditions. Because of this, the Quran draws on biblical stories and repeats many biblical themes. In particular, the stories of several biblical prophets appear in the Quran, some in a condensed form; other stories, such as those of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, are given in elaborate detail and even with subtle revisions of the biblical accounts.
One of the important differences between the Quranic and biblical stories of Abraham's sacrifice of his son, for example, is that the Quran suggests this son is Ishmael, from whom Arabs are descended, and not Isaac, from whom the tribes of Israel are descended. A more substantial difference relates to the Islamic story of Jesus, who according to the Quran is a mortal, human prophet. The Islamic faith categorically rejects the idea that God was ever born, as opposed to Christian belief that Jesus was born the son of God. Islam also rejects the idea that God shared his divinity with any other being.
Another important idea elaborated in the Quran and later Islamic doctrine, in conscious distinction from the biblical accounts, is that although prophets are capable of human errors, God protects them from committing sins and also protects them from excruciating suffering or humiliating experiences. God would not abandon his prophets in times of distress. Therefore, the Quran maintains that God interfered to save Jesus from torture and death by lifting him to heaven and replacing him on the cross with someone who looked like him.
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@Peter
If all are part of God then doesn't that mean that all have an element of the divine in them?
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joebmc
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Sea 32 , Land 13
Sea + land = 32+ 13= 45
Sea = 32/45*100q.=71.11111111%
Land = 13/45*100 = 28.88888889%
Sea + land 100.00%
Modern science has only recently proven that the water covers
71.111% of the earth, while the land covers 28.889%.
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How is this possible as its know that water coverd a lot more land many years ago (probably 85% or more) and that the sea level is rising again today so you cant say the sea covers this much of the world for it is forever changing. Or is this referring to today’s levels (current 2000 years).
Why was Arab world given the Quran in the beginning? Why not the Aborigine’s, Inuit’s or the West? If it had not been for mans travel Aborigines and the like would have never of herd of Allah, the Quran or Mohammed. So they would not of followed the Quran.
And bear in mind Australia was discovered only 200 odd years ago so the natives would possible of been uninformed of the Quran for thousands of years?
Does that mean they should of gone to hell?
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PeterKay
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It was Gods choice whom he gave the Quran to.
He gave it to the arabs but it's an inspiration for mankind.
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