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On 2008-08-20 01:16:17, max_wedge wrote:

arm IS the platform

That's the point. They need to update their platform before they can support arm. And that's an expensive process. I think SE strategy these days is to not be on the forefront and just make phones that the average person will buy rather than trying to appeal to the buyers like us who want it all. We are only a small percentage of the market. Most end users don't even know or understand teh difference between qvga and vga and only use the video (if at all) to record something on the handset and show their mates. They will rarely actually take that video and attempt to display it on a full size display device.

I think you could argue that for the average buyer VGA output is only necessary if 1. the handset has VGA display, or 2. if the handset has tv out.

On 2008-08-19 12:08:27, max_wedge wrote:

the vga capability of vga recording phones is over-rated in my view. There is almost no realistic advantage in having a vga capable recording device compared to a qvga. The codecs are still far too compressed to be of any real use.

The end user is not silly and they can see that the vga output is crap and only usable on the phone itself - ie you take the video and show your friends and it goes no further than that. In that mode of usage, there is no need for video recording to be any higher res than the handset display res.

On 2008-08-19 12:02:11, marty mcfly wrote:

Conspiracy theories abound! I'll go first...the Watermelon did it.

On 2008-08-20 06:50:14, mib1800 wrote:

I think you would not say this if you have seen video taken with n82/95

I view VGA@30fps video taken with N82 on a 42 in screen and video is near tv quality (except for some fuzziness at the edges + little bit of noise) and clear discernable sound. Video taken with W910 is totally unviewable with its big blocky pixelation and garbled sound on the large screen.

Conspiracy theory?? haha. More like pure greed on SE part as they want to milk the existing platform. By the time C905 comes out it would have been years that SE used the ancient platform. Samsung/LG/Nokia has moved on to better platform for sometime already.

One or 2 quarters back SE has been making tons of profit (way above industry ave) so it not an excuse not to invest in a new hardware platform. LG is selling about the same volume as SE but LG has improved its hardware so much compared to SE. SE just sits on its butts.

On 2008-08-20 10:58:34, max_wedge wrote:
... if you think it's near tv quality then I think your Nokia filter must be operating over time!

On 2008-08-20 06:50:14, mib1800 wrote:
Samsung/LG/Nokia has moved on to better platform for sometime already.

On 2008-08-20 05:05:29, max_wedge wrote:
Yes but look how popular youtube video is and it's only qvga. And no better quality than most qvga devices.

On 2008-08-20 23:35:53, marty mcfly wrote:
I feel almost proud of this VGA anger I have brought up again

Max, you put up a very well thought out argument, I commend it. But you really are missing the whole point as to why I mentioned this a few pages back.
We all know VGA isn't brilliant on Mobiles, but people would rather sit and watch a poor VGA than a tiny little QVGA video any day. That's all I was saying! No one is looking for, or expecting a high quality, faultless video capture. Just a bigger, clearer one!
Have a look at the sample INNOV8 videos on Mobile Reviews site. You can blow them up full screen, and the quality is about what you'd get from a VHS camcorder 15 years ago. What's wrong with that? It's full screen and perfectly acceptable. It'll never win any awards, but I'd rather capture moments to remember with that quality than a little QVGA video the size of postage stamp!
VGA should be standard quality on a flagship cameraphone in 2008. Telling us it's not cost effective, or the platform doesn't support it just shows how far behind everyone else really are.
That's just how I feel and I know, how a lot of others feel too.

[ This Message was edited by: marty mcfly on 2008-08-20 23:19 ]

On 2008-08-21 02:24:33, max_wedge wrote:
I actually agree with you. In every respect. HOWEVER, the key point is that you , I and all many of our friends are in the techno junkie dead zone. I feel it's incorrect to assume that the general market really cares that much about the size of the video as long is it's viewable on the phone itself.

As I have said, I think the situation is changing fast, as phone technology has a habit of doing, but for a little while yet lack of VGA video won't have lasting affect on SE sales. Of all the things an average person buys a phone for, VGA recording is one of the last things they think about. Most punters won't even ask what video recording a phone has before they purchase.

On 2008-08-21 04:16:28, mib1800 wrote:
You will be surprised how many may have bought the N95 based on the video record factor alone given the way Nokia advertise the phone. And how about Viewty/Secret with its VGA or 120fps capability which is prominently advertised. This cutting edge tech as far as phone is concerned and the manufacturers make sure the buyers know about it.

Even if buyers did not start out looking for video rec in a phone but if everything else being equal, the VGA video recording factor will definitely give a reason for buyers to bite.