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amirprog
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On 2013-09-17 20:25:40, moogoo wrote:
@amiprog - no matter what, the front will always be either glass or crystal  i would love to see sony use sapphire crystal, but this would no doubt increase the price of the device by a lot.
@kimocal - "tmobile exclusive" means it will never arrive on AT&T..
ok, but if i remove the front protector will the phone act like any other smartphone without front protector? or the sony will shatter more easily cause its bezels are glass too? other companies use crystal i guess? so that's why front protector is not a necessity for them? i don't get this part. | |
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moogoo
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amirprog - its the same as other companies. no one uses crystal as far as i know. most flagship smartphones are gorilla glass or dragontrail or unbranded tempered glass. other companies simply don't include it for whatever reason. you are free to remove it if you wish and it'll be like any other company's smartphone screen.
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dr.W
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On 2013-09-17 20:25:40, moogoo wrote:
@amiprog - no matter what, the front will always be either glass or crystal i would love to see sony use sapphire crystal, but this would no doubt increase the price of the device by a lot.
@kimocal - "tmobile exclusive" means it will never arrive on AT&T..
That's not true. Exclusive agreements have time limits. Sony, or any company, would never give one carrier an unlimited exclusive agreement. If it sells well on T-Mobile then AT&T will strike a deal to carry it also, and if they want it before the exclusive agreement ends, then Sony will tweak it slightly so its not the same device anymore. Money talks, and Sony, like all companies, likes money.
What it does mean is that a lot of people will not buy it when it is released and will buy other phones instead. So when/if it becomes available, either unlocked or on AT&T it will be yesterday's news. Its too bad they felt they could get more money out of an exclusive deal with T-Mobile than to do a normal deal and still sell it unlocked.
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Geoffxx
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On 2013-09-17 14:54:07, sponse wrote:
ok lets some up the Z1 pros and cons against other flagships of the android phones: (4.7-5.2")
HTC ONE pro over the Z1:
better bass when using speakers
are you saying that a mobile phone has bass ?
yes I know I'm being very selective from your original post but when I go shopping for a phone "bass" is not a criteria that is going to be in my list - I know what bass is when my living room floor shakes under my feet and my sofa is pounding me in the back - I'm not expecting my Z1 to do that
as for the rest I'm right with you buddy - the Z1 is market leader right now - in fact I'd go as far as saying it's kindof out there on it's own
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moogoo
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On 2013-09-17 21:25:49, dr.W wrote:
That's not true. Exclusive agreements have time limits. Sony, or any company, would never give one carrier an unlimited exclusive agreement. If it sells well on T-Mobile then AT&T will strike a deal to carry it also, and if they want it before the exclusive agreement ends, then Sony will tweak it slightly so its not the same device anymore. Money talks, and Sony, like all companies, likes money.
Of course there are time limits and of course the agreement is for a specific device. But AT&T is never going to pick up the Z1 after a year or even 6 months after the exclusivity agreement lapses. Sony also will not break an exclusivity agreement without cause simply for more money. That would undermine their business reputation and no one will ever want to do business with them again. tweaking the device slightly may or may not work depending on the language of the agreement.
Like I said, it does NOT matter if it is exclusively sold on Tmobile. The same phone can be used on AT&T with no loss of signal compatibility. So, if you are up for an upgrade (i.e., contract expired), simply switch to tmobile, get the phone on a no contract plan and have fun. if you hate it, you can go back to AT&T later while keeping the phone. If your contract still isn't up, I'm sure you'll be able to get your hands on a tmobile Z1 on ebay or amazon through a 3rd party seller at perhaps the same or slightly higher price.
@geoffx i think he just means fuller sound. you can't expect a speaker that small to provide any real bass. but there is a difference between a fuller sound and a hollow one. htc one has 2 stereo speakers which definitely help with this.
[ This Message was edited by: moogoo on 2013-09-17 20:40 ] moogoo
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dalmac
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On 2013-09-17 21:29:29, Geoffxx wrote:
On 2013-09-17 14:54:07, sponse wrote:
ok lets some up the Z1 pros and cons against other flagships of the android phones: (4.7-5.2")
HTC ONE pro over the Z1:
better bass when using speakers
are you saying that a mobile phone has bass ?
yes I know I'm being very selective from your original post but when I go shopping for a phone "bass" is not a criteria that is going to be in my list - I know what bass is when my living room floor shakes under my feet and my sofa is pounding me in the back - I'm not expecting my Z1 to do that
[ This Message was edited by: Geoffxx on 2013-09-17 20:32 ]
Geoff, I think he's referring to the range of audible frequencies. With the HTC one you can really hear the low frequencies (bass), this results in a much fuller sound. The HTC One is also extremely loud.
Of course, if you never use the phone to listen to music, then it won't make any difference to you.
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-XYZ
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"Bass". It isn't real bass. The lower frequencies are stronger than other smartphones, but that's not really saying much.
Also, those speakers are what resulted in the mahoosive bezels on the One. Its the same size as 5-inch phones, and it packs only a 4.7 inch screen. |
sponse
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i wanted to point out every aspect about the phone.
for me personally, i don't give a damn about the phone's speakers.. |
Ermac84
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@Moogoo
Isn't the phone sold at T-Mobile is SIM Locked? If I end up buying C6906 without contract can I still use that phone on AT&T without issues, just by swapping SIM Card? Also, since the US Store will sell C6902 on their site unlocked, I expect the same story will repeat, and I mean the phone getting launched 2 months later starting from today!
I rather skip all this none sense and just get the C6903 from Handtec, at least it supports T-mobile LTE and 1700 LTE band for AT&T which is available in my city. am honestly fine with HSPA+ speed, LTE would be nice to have but I wouldn't cry over it
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dalmac
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On 2013-09-17 23:11:09, -XYZ wrote:
"Bass". It isn't real bass. The lower frequencies are stronger than other smartphones, but that's not really saying much.
Also, those speakers are what resulted in the mahoosive bezels on the One. Its the same size as 5-inch phones, and it packs only a 4.7 inch screen.
Well of course it's not the same kind of bass that you'd typically get in a home sound system! It's far, far better than I've heard on any other phone though. Far better dynamic range.
That said, IF YOU DON'T USE YOUR PHONE FOR MUSIC THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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moogoo
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On 2013-09-17 23:35:18, Ermac84 wrote:
@Moogoo
Isn't the phone sold at T-Mobile is SIM Locked? If I end up buying C6906 without contract can I still use that phone on AT&T without issues, just by swapping SIM Card? Also, since the US Store will sell C6902 on their site unlocked, I expect the same story will repeat, and I mean the phone getting launched 2 months later starting from today!
I rather skip all this none sense and just get the C6903 from Handtec, at least it supports T-mobile LTE and 1700 LTE band for AT&T which is available in my city. am honestly fine with HSPA+ speed, LTE would be nice to have but I wouldn't cry over it
Tmobile sells SIM Locked phones, but ONLY if you buy the phone through their financing plan. If you pay the full retail price up front, they will unlock it for you immediately. If through the financing plan, they will unlock it once you've paid off the phone. So, yes.. as long as you pay for the phone, you can have it unlocked by Tmobile, regardless of how long you've had it, and switch to AT&T just swap the sim card.
I didn't hear of Sony US selling C6902.. i believe C6902 is the chinese model? I wouldn't worry about 2 months later.. Kaz stated global release in september.. so it should be available by mid Oct at the latest.
You are correct that C6903 works on 1700 LTE on AT&T, however, the majority of AT&T's LTE network is on 700 frequency. But, if you don't care about LTE like you said, then it won't matter  The choice is up to you. I, personally, am waiting til mid Oct at the latest, and then going with whatever is available at that time.. be it C6903 or C6906
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Geoffxx
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On 2013-09-17 18:14:45, -XYZ wrote:
Goddamn it Sony. Why are you still using crappy displays on your flagship smartphone, when every other device (Laptops, Tablets, phablets etc.) use fantastic IPS displays?
I just don't understand it.
Only saving grace is that some displays appear better than others. GSM Arena's handset seems to have a phenominal display with a 1500+:1 contrast ratio. Why don't ALL of them have that same screen...?
The clue is in the first few lines of the review were it says not due for release for two weeks - this is not a retail device or a review written on the 17th as the article would make you believe
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Geoffxx
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On 2013-09-17 17:48:20, amirprog wrote:
recombu's Sony Xperia Z1 review:
That screen doesn't look right at all, were did they get that device ? |
moogoo
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^sony's reject bin. must have climbed in to get it when they wouldn't send him one for testing.. 
i'm just kidding of course
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Geoffxx
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On 2013-09-17 18:34:28, miromiromi wrote:
On 2013-09-17 18:27:12, unknownC151A wrote:
On 2013-09-17 18:14:49, amirprog wrote:
about the screen protector, REALLY? then what's the point of protecting the screen if it's not scratch resistance which is not less important. sony must find better solution.
on a positive note, recombu's Sony Xperia Z1 video sample (Full HD): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWPW48rh398
the video samples looks really good and sharp to my unprofessional eyes, a bit hard to believe it's a phone camera, isn't it? 
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-09-17 17:16 ]
That's actually done to minimize the chances of the glass shattering. And if it does, it's for your safety. It will hold all the glass pieces together to prevent them from cutting you.
why anticipate shatters? why not just design the phone to be less prone to shattering? ...like creating a rubber lip around the glass so it does not immediately get in contact with the floor once it drops. it's useless using a scratch-resistant glass if it's going to be covered by some scratch-able plastic.
[ This Message was edited by: miromiromi on 2013-09-17 17:35 ]
xperia Z and Z1 have a rim around the screen - the ASF (anti shatter film) and not ASPF - is there to stop injury to you or others if the glass breaks from an impact, it is not "proof anything". If you fit your own screen protector you will not notice any change in screen quality or performance
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