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yea g
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I read somewhere that it comes with the itc-60 (tv out cable) in the box. anyone know if this is true?
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NightBlade
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On 2008-08-19 11:56:13, yea g wrote:
I read somewhere that it comes with the itc-60 (tv out cable) in the box. anyone know if this is true?
Nope, you have to buy it. Otherwise the phone would get a bit too expensive.
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marty mcfly
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On 2008-08-19 11:50:16, max_wedge wrote:
You should be chided for having conspiracy theories about SE purposely withholding features just to be mean to their entire customer base 
Conspiracy theories abound! I'll go first...the Watermelon did it.
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On 2008-08-19 11:43:30, xironghostx wrote:
On 2008-08-19 11:40:30, yea g wrote:
If they had vga video that would be cool but the fact is most of the mobiles that can do vga do it badly so youre probably better off resizing the qvga
You mean that n95, n82 and viewty should have been better (quality) if they made them qvga video?
the vga capability of vga recording phones is over-rated in my view. There is almost no realistic advantage in having a vga capable recording device compared to a qvga. The codecs are still far too compressed to be of any real use.
The end user is not silly and they can see that the vga output is crap and only usable on the phone itself - ie you take the video and show your friends and it goes no further than that. In that mode of usage, there is no need for video recording to be any higher res than the handset display res.
This is the reasoning that OEM's use to determine the resolution of video recording.
In a year or two the situation will change. Dedicated video recording handsets will comeout with quality codecs (better quality with less compression) designed to compete with low end camcorders, in much the way camera phones are now competing, and I use the term loosely, with low end digicams. This is when we will see the first Sony Ericsson Handycam (tm) 
On 2008-08-19 12:02:11, marty mcfly wrote:
Conspiracy theories abound! I'll go first...the Watermelon did it.
ROFL
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se_dude
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OMG!!
Do the C905 a favour and let it release first. Then we can compare. |
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Hiron
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@Muhammad-Oli,
Actually, ARM9 can't even record QVGA smoothly... My K850 that records QVGA get laggy sometimes, especially in first one second duration.
The basic theory for processing power is BitRate, not Resolution...
I can say that ARM-9 can record 320kbps video smoothly. Higher than this, it will get laggy, due to slow processor (fps drop.)
So, this is what I get: C905 can record VGA@30fps on 320kbps smoothly. C905 even can record 1920x1080@30fps on 320kbps smoothly...
But the video is not worthy to play, since the artifact exists due to low bitrate...
To minimizing artifact, the bitrate of VGA video should be higher than 720kbps, in this case .mp4 encoding.
That's likely has been done on some C905 prototypes, they record VGA@30fps but at lower bitrate... SE needs to try everything they can, isn't it? And because there's too many artifact, they decided to lowered the resolution to QVGA. There's many factors regarding on this...
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max_wedge
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I think that's a good analysis. I agree in all respects.
However in regard to K850 video recording, funny because I seem to be able to record qvga on my w910 wthout any lag? However I still agree with your assessment
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shyam335
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Dont blame arm,its the fault of se (or their platform).
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Accel
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I have a few questions:
Do you get the card reader in the sales package?
Any ideas what the battery life is gonna be like? compared to, say, the K850i?
& any idea roughly how much it'll cost when it comes out in the U.K? I had read somewhere it was out late August/early September, & the price would be around £400 (though I had hoped it'd be around £350)...
as for the lack of VGA video recording, well, I don't record many vids on my cam-phones, the option would have been nice but I think I can live with QVGA 30fps... |
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Im sure this phone will be good and it looks good. But why after so so long other manufacturers have raced with regards to video recording when SE still lags behind. Nokia LG Samsung all have made dozens of phones with VGA recording but why not SE. With Sony behind them whats the delay. It would be great to see one day. |
max_wedge
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On 2008-08-19 14:06:52, shyam335 wrote:
Dont blame arm,its the fault of se (or their platform).
arm IS the platform
That's the point. They need to update their platform before they can support arm. And that's an expensive process. I think SE strategy these days is to not be on the forefront and just make phones that the average person will buy rather than trying to appeal to the buyers like us who want it all. We are only a small percentage of the market. Most end users don't even know or understand teh difference between qvga and vga and only use the video (if at all) to record something on the handset and show their mates. They will rarely actually take that video and attempt to display it on a full size display device.
I think you could argue that for the average buyer VGA output is only necessary if 1. the handset has VGA display, or 2. if the handset has tv out.
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_vAmpiRe_
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On 2008-08-20 01:16:17, max_wedge wrote:
I think you could argue that for the average buyer VGA output is only necessary if 1. the handset has VGA display, or 2. if the handset has tv out.
I don't agree with that.. Where do you like to store your pictures taken with your phone? On the phone, or "safe" on your computer?
The same goes for video... You don't carry around 1000 pictures and 300 videoclips on your phone just to plug it to a bigscreen telly for viewing pleasure...
No, you put it on your computer and watch them there, you put them on Myspace, Facebook and/or YouTube...
And everybody knows watching a low quality videoclip on YouTube sucks bigtime... 
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max_wedge
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Yes but look how popular youtube video is and it's only qvga. And no better quality than most qvga devices.
And you are over-estimating the general public. It's a "dead zone" user who bothers to actually do anything with the video other than share it with friends via the handset.
This is changing as data costs get cheaper - and the "dead zone" is becoming larger and not so dead anymore. So I sort of agree with you, but it's only something that's just starting to happen.
In a years time, it will be a major blunder by SE if VGA recording is not being widely incorporated into their releases. For now it's a forgivable sin.
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se_dude
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Can anyone tell virgine fontaine to post some full size C905 pics??He posts 800x600 pics and they are simply out of this world.Ib wanted to check the full version. He went on a holiday to florence and shot all the pics with his C905.
Here is the link:
http://flickr.com/photos/virgilefontaine/sets/72157606828785947/ |
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