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Wishmaster89
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Truly impressive, but you can still see compression artifacts. Would love to see RAW data from this camera.
And FWIW for 20mpix camera this kind of picture should have around 10mb at least, then it would really shine 
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scwam
Joined: Jun 25, 2013
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Oh, shit. I thought I pulled the right link. This pic is the real deal, I just got the complete specs of the pic now:
Camera: Sony C6902
Lens: 4.9 mm
Exposure: Auto exposure, 1/1,243 sec, f/2, ISO 64
Flash: Auto, Did not fire
Date: August 10, 2013 1:14:43PM (timezone not specified)
(1 day, 10 hours, 1 minute ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)
File: 5,248 × 3,936 JPEG (20.7 megapixels)
4,982,276 bytes (4.8 megabytes) Image compression: 92%
Color Encoding:
WARNING: Color space tagged as sRGB, without an embedded color profile. Windows and Mac browsers and apps treat the colors randomly.
Images for the web are most widly viewable when in the sRGB color space and with an embedded color profile. See my Introduction to Digital-Image Color Spaces for more information.
Image URL: http://www.imgus.net/bilder/6a7f722126dbda9790af5df2e6fb4914.JPG
Extracted 120 × 160 7.0-kilobyte “Composite:ThumbnailImage” JPG
Displayed here at 200% (1/269 the area of the original)
Main image displayed here at 11% width (1/77 the area of the original)
Here's the full data:
XMP
XMP Toolkit XMP Core 5.1.2
Creator Tool Google
EXIF — this group of metadata is encoded in 7,958 bytes (7.8k)
Exif Image Size 3,936 × 5,248
Make Sony
Camera Model Name C6902
Orientation Horizontal (normal)
Software Google
Modify Date 2013:08:10 13:14:43
1 day, 10 hours, 1 minute ago
Y Cb Cr Positioning Centered
Exposure Time 1/1250
F Number 2.00
ISO 64
Exif Version 0220
Date/Time Original 2013:08:10 13:14:43
1 day, 10 hours, 1 minute ago
Create Date 2013:08:10 13:14:43
1 day, 10 hours, 1 minute ago
Components Configuration Y, Cb, Cr, -
Shutter Speed Value 1/1243
Exposure Compensation 0
Metering Mode Center-weighted average
Light Source Unknown
Flash Auto, Did not fire
Focal Length 4.9 mm
Flashpix Version 0100
Color Space sRGB
Interoperability Index R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB)
Interoperability Version 0100
Custom Rendered Normal
Exposure Mode Auto
White Balance Auto
Digital Zoom Ratio 1
Scene Capture Type Standard
Subject Distance Range Unknown
Image Unique ID e444858c9cee35e349d5ad04473d365a
Compression JPEG (old-style)
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Thumbnail Length 7,218
JFIF
JFIF Version 1.01
Resolution 1 pixels/None
File — basic information derived from the file.
File Type JPEG
MIME Type image/jpeg
Exif Byte Order Little-endian (Intel, II)
Encoding Process Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Bits Per Sample 8
Color Components 3
File Size 4.8 MB
Image Size 3,936 × 5,248
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling YCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)
Composite
This block of data is computed based upon other items. Some of it may be wildly incorrect, especially if the image has been resized.
Aperture 2.00
Shutter Speed 1/1250
Thumbnail Image (7,218 bytes binary data)
Focal Length 4.9 mm
Light Value 12.9
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vikeviki
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Guys what do you think and how do you rate that pic is that an improvement,I am not able judge the photo at the moment,any thoughts? |
Wishmaster89
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It is an improvement. It doesn't look at all like stretched image from Z which many feared would be the case. It retains high amount of details and has nice colors. Should easily replace standalone compact camera.
One thing they should still work on is compression, it's still slightly too high and you can see typical compression artifacts. But maybe it's due to pre-release version of firmware and probably camera is one of the things they'll work till the last minute. |
vikeviki
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Thank you Wishwaster,hope this phone is replacement for two things main audio and camera  |
milukugiuniu
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On 2013-08-12 06:42:48, mzr7 wrote:
On 2013-08-12 05:17:32, milukugiuniu wrote:
@ mzr7
The device is XZU.
I'm sure of Adam outler would know if it was the ZU, you should look him up, btw why would sony go through all this trouble to hide in a case so that no one knows what it looks like but actually is the ZU while coming to the xdadevcon13??Unless Adam has a short term memory problem that he takes pictures of the ZU at 8.48(https://plus.google.com/u/0/104711040110222472212/posts/URjzZz1T3HL) and then at 11.06 posts that picture with the caption unannounced Sony device
Doesn't make any sense but still you could be right.
[ This Message was edited by: mzr7 on 2013-08-12 05:47 ]
Please refer to the following picture which was posed and confirmed to be XZU a few months ago in a Chinese forum. The 2 pictures have too many similarities. Just my opnion.
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razec
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On 2013-08-12 08:32:02, Wishmaster89 wrote:
It is an improvement. It doesn't look at all like stretched image from Z which many feared would be the case. It retains high amount of details and has nice colors. Should easily replace standalone compact camera.
One thing they should still work on is compression, it's still slightly too high and you can see typical compression artifacts. But maybe it's due to pre-release version of firmware and probably camera is one of the things they'll work till the last minute.
True that, I wish Sony could give it RAW shooting capability, that should eliminate these JPEG artifacts, anyway the last time we heard RAW with a cameraphone was with Motorola ZN5.
Other than that, the image quality does look promising 
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-08-12 08:21 ] 10 years at Esato |
vikeviki
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I guess Razec review once the real sample out will be head on with pixels inch by inch. literally Razec will rip off each pixel,Sony be careful,becoz Razec is here  |
razec
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Do I really look like what you described?  
10 years at Esato |
vikeviki
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I am eagerly waiting for your unbaised Honami camera image samples review:),lets wait for another few weeks.
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Ambroos
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Razec, what you're pointing out is absolutely not JPEG compression but just luminance noise from the sensor (with some noise reduction). When you're packing so many pixels on such a small sensor you get more noise and it simply looks like that. Adding more JPG compression would actually smoothen out those artefacts but you'd end up with less detail.
This image was taken with JPG compression set around 90, which is very high and very close to what DSLR's use. My NEX-5R (16MP) JPG's are between 3MB and 4,5MB depending on what is in the shot, and that is on a sensor and lens that can resolve more detail than Honami.
It's already extraordinarily detailed for a sensor this size with 20MP. |
Wishmaster89
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Considering that this shot was taken at ISO 64 it would have to be very noisy, but it looks like chroma noise is very low or very well controlled. IMO, they should lower luminance reduction and leave slight grain to retain sharpness and that film-like look. I think that many photographers would appreciate that.
Agree that this shot is very nice, but still needs some fine tuning. Maybe adaptive noise reduction.
Strange, my nex-5 can take shots that range from 5 to 7mb and if I use RAW's then after processing, most of the time, they reach 10mb all with 14mpix
All in all, I still think that it looks very good but needs some fine tuning. Curious how low light high ISO pictures look like and how high ISO good light shots look like. |
admad
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Guys this sample photo is practically macro shot, and all camera phones shine at macro photography, what is really hard and tests camera quality thoroughly are landscape shots, and till I'll see such photo from Honami, can't really say much about quality, knowing Sony it won't be mind blowing  |
Wishmaster89
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Doesn't matter if its macro shot or not, the processing is the same and this is what we're discussing right now. You can see that it retains high amount of details so if it can properly focus at infinity with appropriate depth of field for landscape shot then there shouldn't be any problem with getting high quality picture.
What sony should work on is eliminating this kind of halo that is visible on this particular picture, lower luminance noise reduction should help. |
razec
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^^ If you're referring to the visible color fringing on the garmin logo as well as the bright reflective portion of the bike then I think the problem is on the lens, not processing, DSLR lenses usually come equipped with special coatings which reduces this kind of defect.
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