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scotsboyuk
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@mib1800
You know exactly what I mean, don't try and put words into my mouth. The comparison I made was in response to a specious point you made and it is valid.
The bottom line is that Nokia may very well produce a great number of Series 60 smartphones, but that still doesn't alter the fact that the vast majority of users don't want a Series 60 smartphone. People like features they will use and smartphone features are just not popular enough yet e.g. how many people really need to edit documents on their mobile?
As the public becomes more aware of these features then smartphone smay very well play a bigger role in the mainstream market, but there are always going to be some functions that the majority of people simply will not use.
SE have not tried to appeal to the 'low-end' smartphone market as Nokia have, that is those people who need a smartphone, but don't necessarily need something like the P900. SE have also been very selective in their targeting of the smartphone market, for them it isn't a major consideration a the more general market is.
Nokia can afford to churn out masses of handsets with the intent of appealling to everyone, but SE can't; they have to be more selective, hence why see only one smartphone a year.
The actual comparison between Nokia and SE is foolish because they are such different companies in terms of both outlook and customer base. The average Nokia customer is your average chap on the street who is looking for a half decent mobile phone; not someone who cares whether or not the camera sensor is CMOS.
SE customers, in my experience, tend to be those who have migrated from other brands, such as Nokia. They want something more than a handset that is almost identical to their last one; they want something that has a simple functional design and they want something that has features they will use.
The average customer really does not care about the OS of a smartphone or whether it has a certain class of Bluetooth or what firmware version it is running; we care about those things because we are geeks. Arguing the point about smartphones is silly, in the grand scheme of things smartphones are not as important to manufacturers as those handsets, which are designed to appeal to the man on the street.
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@dragoneye:
sorry for mistake on the post.
agreed with you on your point of how we perceive tech. to me I want my phone to perform like a computer. So to me, that's more advanced. let me ask u this. Do you consider a 6310 more advanced than K750 because the battery last longer?
btw: my 6670 can last 4 days on a charge with moderate to heavy usage. so it is not entirely true that smartphone is not efficient in power management. |
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On 2005-03-10 17:12:19, mib1800 wrote:
@dragoneye:
sorry for mistake on the post.
agreed with you on your point of how we perceive tech. to me I want my phone to perform like a computer. So to me, that's more advanced. let me ask u this. Do you consider a 6310 more advanced than K750 because the battery last longer?
btw: my 6670 can last 4 days on a charge with moderate to heavy usage. so it is not entirely true that smartphone is not efficient in power management.
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we're talking virtually the same specs with more efficient battery life..
stop trying to twist things...
the w800 is reporting 15 and 30 hours of mp3 playback..tell me that's not a tech marvel
also what can a series 60 phone do that these new SE's can't...
i've had virutally every series 60 phone they all last 1 day
you can even include the v800 in with the bunch..if you want to get into 3g
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Seems like we have lost the plot of this thread...come on guys...get back on track.
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@batesie
maybe i let you ponder what u have brought up.
is a SE phone selling at same high premium when compared to Ford and Merc? |
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mib1800 youre question doesnt make sense.
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@scotsboyuk.
maybe in the grand scheme of thing smartphone is not important to SE but it is doing wonders for Nokia.
even if we were to exclude smartphone tech, it does not deviate from the fact that K750 spec is not the one that declares victory for SE technology wise.
maybe to SE fans, having a 2MP and a memory slot in a phone is a huge step forward for SE but it is definitely ludicrous to say that it is a giant leap in phone technology.
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@mib1800
The bottom line is that you are very much in the minority, not because we are SE fans, but because you want a smartphone. As I, and others, have repeatedly said, smartphones are not de rigeur. The idea of a amsartphone isn't something that most people want.
One can ask if SE is better than other manufacturers and be given the answer 'yes', but this obviously doesn't take into acocool sales. One has to appreciate that sales ar enot necessarily what makes one company better than another.
I think you are looking for too much in trying to compare Nokia and SE. SE can be compared with Bentley and Nokia Ford, the comparison is actually rather appropriate. It isn't that Bentleys offer one anything fundamentally different to a Ford, but they are considered by the majority of people to be better cars.
So too when we look at mobile phones one can see that although a K700 might be an excellent handset, the parent buying anew mobile for their 8 year old child probably isn't going to choose to spend the extra cash necessary for a K700 when there is a cheap Nokia available.
If one were to take away Nokia's market of young children; the elderley and technophobes then I would propose that it would be a very different company indeed.
SE have forged a business built upon customers who respect their brand for what it is, not because they see it as being a default that they should go to because they don't understand the market.
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On 2005-03-10 17:24:34, batesie wrote:
mib1800 youre question doesnt make sense.
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maybe i made it clear for you. a merc is selling at 3-5 times the price of Ford and yet it has it market clientele (i.e. we have market segmentation here)
what do you think will be the fate of K750 if it is selling at 3-5 times the price of 6230i?
A cellphone is a gadget costing few hundred bucks and have a lifespan of 6-18 months on average. A car on the other hand, cost thousands and last years.
This analogy which SE fans like to use is fundamentally flawed as the dynamics of cars & phones are totally different. |
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90% of the people that are using nokias smartphones don´t know how to use them...they just buy them because they´re form nokia and they do what they expect in a phone nowadays (photos, mms, video, games)...so, i see no point in SE turning and start launching a massive amount of cheap UIQ phones...one model could be ok, because there´s a niche market for it |
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On 2005-03-10 17:43:28, mib1800 wrote:
A cellphone is a gadget costing few hundred bucks and have a lifespan of 6-18 months on average. A car on the other hand, cost thousands and last years.
This analogy which SE fans like to use is fundamentally flawed as the dynamics of cars & phones are totally different.
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You are taking the analogy to an extreme. The analog is merely meant to demonstrate why SE handsets ar elooke dupon by so many as being better than Nokia handsets, that is what an anaology is, not a literal example.
No one is saying that the K750 is a revolutionary step in technology, once again you are twisting words. What we ares aying is that the K750 is a major step forward in the European mobile phone market. It offers a wide range of features in a small package and doesn't skimp on quality to achieve this. It is an advanced handset that is already becoming an object of desire.
If one were to look to recent Nokia releases one would be hard pressed to find more than one or two that are actively anticipated and sought after, in comparison with SE's new releases, which are almost all sought after as soon as they are announced.
The point baout smartphones doing wonders for Nokia is actually moot, what does wonders for Nokia is the fact that millions of people continue to buy Nokia because that is all they know. If Nokia were to actually compete with other manufacturers on a level playing field it wouldn't last very long at all. Motorola and Samsung, never mind SE, produce better handsets than Nokia; what they have going for them is market share and customer apathy.
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On 2005-03-10 17:44:23, Arez wrote:
90% of the people that are using nokias smartphones don´t know how to use them...they just buy them because they´re form nokia and they do what they expect in a phone nowadays (photos, mms, video, games)...so, i see no point in SE turning and start launching a massive amount of cheap UIQ phones...one model could be ok, because there´s a niche market for it
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SE will never mass produce.. if they do esato will roll over and die as all of you will start hating on SE.
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@scotsboyuk
it is true i am into smartphone. to me, if you can make a phone do like what a computer can do is definitely more advanced in technology than a phone that perform like a calculator. it is obvious (to me at least) that it is much more difficult to come out with a smartphone than a normal phone.
i am not saying that K750 is low tech. all i am saying it is too early to pop the champagne yet. Well, you can if you r comparing it to 6230i. But then, this would be a hollow victory.
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@mib1800
The Analogy does ring true with me. It is generally accepted in the industry that SE have managed to carve out a high-end niche for themselves.
Why? Because for years Nokia smothered the market in not very good handsets.
How? for developing advanced and innovative handsets.
See here
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=76339#post1018436
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On 2005-03-10 17:56:54, mib1800 wrote:
@scotsboyuk
it is true i am into smartphone. to me, if you can make a phone do like what a computer can do is definitely more advanced in technology than a phone that perform like a calculator. it is obvious (to me at least) that it is much more difficult to come out with a smartphone than a normal phone.
i am not saying that K750 is low tech. all i am saying it is too early to pop the champagne yet. Well, you can if you r comparing it to 6230i. But then, this would be a hollow victory.
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Here we have the crux of the misconception. I am equally as appreciative of advanced technology and I like handsets that can do all sorts of things besides making phone calls, but one has to realise that that isn't an appropriate means of comparison in judging what is better.
One can only judge a handset within the context it was was intended for. One cannot compare the T68i and the P900 and say that the T68i is rubbish because one would be taking it out of context. Similarly one cannot compare a smartphone and a non-smartphone because they are intended for different purposes; for different people. If someone wants a smartphone then they will buy one, if they don't then they won't.
I would not compare a supercomputer with an abacus because it is just plain silly. SE has decided that their target market does not want smartphones, so they produce them to cater for a niche market, whilst aiming the majority of their products at a wider consumer base.
Nokia are simply so much larger that they can produce lots of handsets and target every market sector. SE can't do this, so they specialise, hence the reason that direct comparisons are not very productive.
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Sony Ericsson - the marriage of the consumer electronics Beauty to the telecomms Beast
