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iphone vs p990 (p1i) vs n95? |
ares
Joined: Dec 11, 2003
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From: Coimbra, Portugal
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and the n76 AFAIK
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sapporobaby
Joined: Sep 14, 2003
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From: Finland. Kuwait maybe :)
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Yes, I do think it is a comprehension problem with you now. I can see that now. Sorry to confuse you but I will go slower. No where in my posts did I say that 20 mb, 100000000 mb or even 1 mb was enough. Once again a comprehension issue on your part. I said, that the main problems are code optimization, however this does not effect S60 as much as it does UIQ. So, once again the old adage comes into play. More RAM is always better. Just because someone brings up the fault of UIQ, and if this includes SE, so be it, they are immediately haters. I can't wait to see how wonderful and better SE will become when they start using HSDPA, 802.11/G/N, etc.... stuff Nokia already has (minus 802.11N).
I repeat post sometimes because many users do not bother to re-read the threads and will often post without knowing what they are actually posting to.
So you mean, you can turn acting retarded on and off? I would suggest you try it more often.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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sapporobaby
Joined: Sep 14, 2003
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From: Finland. Kuwait maybe :)
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@Eric's Son
Cool way you did that with the name thing.  I like that.
You are 10000000000% correct about the E90 and P1. I am trying to see if I can borrow a P1 for a few days and just turn it on and see how the memory behaves without being under a load. I did play with the E90. It is pretty fast. It is also cool that Nokia decided to make it an all S60 device rather than splitting it with S40 and S60 like the older communicators.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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wabre
Joined: Feb 03, 2006
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i don't give a sh.. if i get a sticker from some users here stating i am "dumb". the fact is that a p990i is slow and slow in executing its tasks. i paid for it and expect that developers made their job that i paid for! if that is not the case, then this device is a small - actually not so small - piece of crap. some applications are great, others are crap - personal choice. RAM is insufficient for daily use of a multitasking device. i wonder why SE developed their P1i with 160MB of internal memory and more RAM, to calm users who complained about not enough RAM. but the problem with UIQ remains, the OS does not do its job as it should and now software won't be enhanced because the RAM is available. so the actual problem has been resolved - the wrong way! that's why the P1i is a no-go for me.
but that's it, i will test if i have the opportunity an N95 and in future also a iphone. won't buy them though, but just to see what they can do. |
malinda
Joined: Dec 03, 2002
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From: Sri Lanka
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It's like this....,
iphone < P990i < N95
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wabre
Joined: Feb 03, 2006
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On 2007-06-14 11:49:33, sapporobaby wrote:
@Wabre,
Nice post and spot on.
@Malinda
Glad you set us straight on that. Thanks for informing us.
@Mr. Lack of Comprehension aka Ares.
you stated: i EDITED my post and choose not to act retarded .
This would imply that you can choose to act the way you do, retarded, or no, which you don't. I was just making a note of it.
Anyway, enough of this. If you have more, PM and we can continue there.
P.S. Ares, are you angry? I want to make sure that we are debating, poking fun, taking a shot here and there but no hard feelings as I do not want Masseur to come along and close this thread.
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[ This Message was edited by: sapporobaby on 2007-06-14 10:52 ]
[ This Message was edited by: sapporobaby on 2007-06-14 11:04 ]
sapporobaby, you know, everybody can give his opinion, be it positive or negative and there's a reason why we do it. but there are users - and you mentioned one (mr. lack of comprehension) - that won't accept AT ALL that we make negative statements of a function or whatever. we should post just the good things about his favorite toy and praise the day it has been invented...
[ This Message was edited by: wabre on 2007-06-14 11:52 ] |
sapporobaby
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From: Finland. Kuwait maybe :)
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@Wabre,
I think he accepts it but no one likes to hear negative things about their purchases, views, idea, etc...... He knows that UIQ has many, many problems that are hopefully addressed in the P1, however given SE's track record for listening to their customers, chances are they will be disappointed once again.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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mode
Joined: Jan 12, 2007
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On 2007-06-14 11:00:23, sapporobaby wrote:
@Mode,
I have a few friends that write code for UIQ and they say that the biggest problem they have is that developers see a way to make a fast buck with poorly written applications that simply eat all the ram. If they optimized their code better, it would take longer to get to market and they would have to debug more. This cuts into their profit margins so the easier thing to do is to pass the bugs on to the consumer. The software is the last place people think to look.
Case in point, I am using LCG Jukebox to stream audio. Nice application but it is super processor intensive. It likes to be the only thing running. I asked the company about it and they don't want to talk about it and deleted my post from the forum when I asked had anyone else experienced this. Shows that the are not interested in fixing the problem but rather passing it along to the consumer.
That's really ugly, the only way out I see is competition among the developers by having a sea of apps so that people can choose, and consumers would gain power through choice. And that's a luxury UIQ3 is yet to have-the cost we pay for adopting a new platform, but I do believe we're paving way for better things in the future |
sapporobaby
Joined: Sep 14, 2003
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From: Finland. Kuwait maybe :)
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@Mode,
Not really when you consider Nokia, SE, and the others are under tremendous pressure to deliver new and innovative products almost immediately. Some do better (Nokia) than others (SE) when it comes to meeting consumer expectations. People demand GPS, Media Players, Video, etc.... and they want it now. There is NO WAY a company can conceive and deliver a product in 3 to 6 months. Just not possible but this is almost what Nokia did with the N95. The GPS was added at the last moment but for the most part they did a good job of delivering this phone. They were even faster with the N800 which was delivered in only 3 months (if my sources are correct). Granted it did not have a GSM radio in it which added in the approval process, but still this is amazing. With all of this amazing stuff comes bugs. No way around it. Nokia was smart by going with a better UI in my opinion. Both Nokia and SE run Symbian, but Nokia chose a better UI to work with.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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koto
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On 2007-06-14 15:43:25, sapporobaby wrote:
Nokia was smart by going with a better UI in my opinion. Both Nokia and SE run Symbian, but Nokia chose a better UI to work with.
I wouldnt say better in general but rather more functional. From your posts I could see that N95 for example is much better in multitasking than P990 (more optimised apps). Also there is no memory leak i.e. all ram is regained after closing those apps. So that makes Nokia UI more functional than SE UIQ3. UIQ3 has serious issues with that memory leak (memory management) and I hope it will all end starting with P1, we shall se (for P990/M600 I dont think it will be fixed). From the other side even with memory leak I found my P990 absolutely amasing phone, but thats not the subject.
So IMO it is more functional at the moment but not better in general simply because UIQ3 gives that beautiful touch screen expeience. Add the qwerty and effect is amazing. I am now speaking in the name of TS/qwerty lovers. I simply cant accept to writte a message with 3 times click on a letter button no matter how fast I can do it, not to speak of writting large word document or meeting minutes or editing excel files without stylus. I had that oportynity when my P910 died and it was a huge pain.
I fully understand that many people dont need TS and can use ordinary keybord but again it is not for everybody. So thanks God on oportynity to choose.
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sapporobaby
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From: Finland. Kuwait maybe :)
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Hey Koto,
You are correct. It all comes down to user choice. I tried TS but decided that it was not for me. S60 was a better way to go for me.
*edited on a Mac of course. Mac: There is no substitute*
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koto
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Fully understand:-) |
Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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@Koto,
You have made me realise something which is that you and many others are fixated on what a smart phone is and only your definition is what you judge all devices by which goes some way to explain your failure to grasp certain concepts as you expect all smart phones to be the same.
Not every one needs or wants to do the same things with their smart phones some don't need to create documents but like the ability to read them especially as attachments. Again some like to be able to receive their E-Mails but may not need to reply to them accept for occasionally so for them a choice of input methods are not that vital. Same with the calendar it may be good to have it with you but may need very little input just syncing to keep it up to date. They may also value Multi Media with greater priority so an excellent Web Browser and a better screen are just as important to them along with a great Music player and Video playback.
I will explain this now as simply as i can different devices even if both smart phones achieve different things better than each other although both may achieve the same things if need.
My main smart phone is my E61 and this is for all Data entry intensive tasks due to it's excellent full qwerty, although it does handle Music and Video and Web Browsing and VOIP.
Now my N95 is my Multi Media smart phone that can still also handle business apps but is better in the Video, Music and Web browsing due to the faster processor and HSDPA. It still also collects my E-Mails and keeps my calendar in Sync but i wouldn't want to enter all my appointments in it or even respond to lots of E-Mails it could do these things but my E61 does that stuff better.
So realising the above can we please once again accept that no one device is perfect for every one only each individual can decide which device is right for them and suits there need the best. In my case it is two devices rather than one but both are excellent at what they do.
Just on a closing note despite all the build quality problems i have seen noted on various forums my N95 has no wobbly slider no screen movement or gaps in the casing and is of great build quality. It does not feel cheap and of plastic at all the rubberised parts are really tactile and the whole thing is nice and compact and IMO an excellent size for the specs it packs. Once my memory card arrives i will start testing the camera and Video and it's Music and Video playback abilities and will report it as i find it.
Marc
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koto
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I dont know Dogmann, are you actually reading my posts? Now, with most sincerity, I really, really dont understand what I said that made you feel I failed to grasp certain concepts or that I think that smartphone I prefer should be prefered by everyone, because my point was just the oposite.
It amazes me how we constantly misunderstand each other:) |
koto
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I have just seen this.
@Dogmann
You have N95. Could you confirm that memory leak is present or it is not true? I thought full memory is regained after closing apps. Thanks. | |
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Posted: 2007-06-14 11:31
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