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JK
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Well it started in Denmark and EVERYONE associates it with Denmark and all the headlines say "Danish cartoons!"
So burn the Danish Embassies!! - just jokin I dont support that part! 
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SCORPIONKING1982
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I must say that I can fully understand WHY the muslim world has been outraged by these cartoons. That is fair enough, they have that right and are free to express their anger. The problem I see is the forms these protests have taken and the apparent hypocrisy they reveal.
As far as I can tell the main point of contention here is that the cartoons are degrading islam and painting it in a bad light. Thats fair enough, they depict mohammed and muslims as muderous and evil suicide bombers which isn't right. Now why havent the ACTUAL suicide bombers and extremists promoted such outrage from the muslim community? These extremists are doing more damage to the image of islam and mohammed than any cartoon could ever do. They spread lies about islam (telling people they will go to heaven if they murder westerners, which as far as I'm aware is untrue), murdering people in the name of islam etc.
Now me as a 'westerner' and non religious this to me paints a far worse picture of islam than the cartoon, indeed if these protest hadnt happened I wouldnt have seen them. But where is the uprising against the extremist elements, where are the banners saying death to them and the burning of their houses?
Now people have said that why should the muslim community deal with these extremists and take responsibility for them? Well they should as they are part of the muslim community, they claim to represent islam using their countries as bases and money to fund their acts. I would call upon the leaders of islamic states to deal extremely toughly with these people. The IRA were dealt with quite strongly by the british government, their terrorism was not tolerated and the members of the organisation were hunted by the police and imprisoned. I have not seen any major efforts by islamic countries to do the same with the extremists, just lip service from some leaders.
The reason some people are scared of muslims in general are because of these extremists, no other reason as far as I'm aware. Now if these terrorists were dealt with then we wouldnt have a problem. People arent scared of islam they are scared of getting blown up! The invasion of Iraq wouldnt have happened if it werent for 9/11, the terrorists are creating problems for themselves and everyone else. I fully understand that there are many many reasons behing the motivation of these extremists but they are extremely neive in thinking terrorism is the way forward but if we censor ourselves through fear of reprisal then we are going to let them win.
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joebmc
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This has got well out of hand; a Muslim protester has died because of this!
These violent protests have done nothing but lower public opinions of Muslims.
Do muslims watching these flag burnings, arsonists, barbaric protests feel that they are justified?
Its just seems so hypocritical that Muslims are protesting because westerns have broken one of there Islamic laws, but yet they have broken many of our western laws with these protests!
Religion to me (well the world top religions) seem to do nothing but teach hate!
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scotsboyuk
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On 2006-02-06 11:56:23, 786KBR wrote:
Well it started in Denmark and EVERYONE associates it with Denmark and all the headlines say "Danish cartoons!"
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Not all the headlines say 'Danish Cartoons' and linking the cartoons with the government and/or people of Denmark is disingenous. As I said before, one should not link the actions of Muslim extremists with all Muslims, equally here one should not link the cartoons with anything other than the newspaper that printed them.
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So burn the Danish Embassies!! - just jokin I dont support that part!
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You'll forgive me if I don't see much humour in that 'joke' given the current situation.
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I've just read on the BBC website that five people have now died as a result of these protests; 3 people in Afghanistan, 1 in Lebanon and a 14 year old Somali boy. Here is the link. Surely it is time for this to stop before any more people are killed?
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Krubach
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On 2006-02-06 14:47:54, joebmc wrote:
Religion to me (well the world top religions) seem to do nothing but teach hate!
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Generalization is unfair.
I don't remeber seeing protests around the world when the Monty Pythons created "The life of Brian". Nor i could see British embassys being burned and thorn down.
The problem is fundamentalism and that can exist in every religion.
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amnesia
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here's an example, why isn't everybody going nuts about China and how the government TRUELY controls free speech.
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SCORPIONKING1982
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On 2006-02-06 16:31:11, amnesia wrote:
here's an example, why isn't everybody going nuts about China and how the government TRUELY controls free speech.
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Probably because there arent any chinese terrorists threatening to murder us.
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amnesia
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two things, first READ UP ON THE NEWS.
Second of all, I thought free speech applied to everyone equally, therefor you CANT say because this or that.
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SCORPIONKING1982
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On 2006-02-06 16:43:08, amnesia wrote:
two things, first READ UP ON THE NEWS.
Second of all, I thought free speech applied to everyone equally, therefor you CANT say because this or that.
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what news is that? I dont see every news story going.
And I didnt make any comment on who free speech applies to, my comment was referring to the fact noone was making noise about china, which I must add has nothing to do with this thead, this is about the cartoons and the reaction from muslims
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amnesia
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dude, if you read through this WHOLE thread, you'll see that there have people that have changed the subject a NUMBER of times, why when I do it to make a point (even though it's related to the subject) you say it has nothing to do with it.
This thread is futile.
It just proves that you all would rather force your own ideology on people rather than learning to get along.
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SCORPIONKING1982
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On 2006-02-06 17:12:10, amnesia wrote:
dude, if you read through this WHOLE thread, you'll see that there have people that have changed the subject a NUMBER of times, why when I do it to make a point (even though it's related to the subject) you say it has nothing to do with it.
This thread is futile.
It just proves that you all would rather force your own ideology on people rather than learning to get along.
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Agreed this is rather futile, passes the time though doesnt it 
Oh and I do not, never have and never will force my ideology on anyone! Infact the only ideology I have is to be happy. People can do what the hell they like as long as they dont interfere with me.
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absinthebri
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Read through the WHOLE thread? You're kidding, right?
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slattery69
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On 2006-02-06 16:43:08, amnesia wrote:
two things, first READ UP ON THE NEWS.
Second of all, I thought free speech applied to everyone equally, therefor you CANT say because this or that.
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free speach applies to those countrys that allow it so do your homework. if china doesnt allow freedom of speach that is a matter for its people and its goverment iots got bugger all to do with this discussion
in europe we do have freedom of speach which is relative to this thread since the country invovled has freddom of speach as did the journalist, freedom of speach isnt always senstive to everyones issues but thats the rub of the green with freedom of speech.
interms of you thinking people are trying to push an ideology onto you unfortunatly if you believe in freedom of speech then you ll stand up for peoples right to exercise it. in the same way you wont be moved in your belief that the cartoon is very offensive to muslims as this is your ideology
for which i have no problem with this view but you must also respect the fact that a large number of people really dont see it as an attack on islam rather just a bit of fun in the same way life of brian or dogma poke fun at christianity. |
SCORPIONKING1982
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On 2006-02-06 17:21:02, absinthebri wrote:
Read through the WHOLE thread? You're kidding, right?
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I did earlier actually slow day at work!
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xdavex
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