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What Processor Does The K700i Use |
max_wedge
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On 2006-08-10 15:21:44, kalleboo wrote:
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On 2006-08-10 10:38:19, dumbrella wrote:
no, explained in max_wedge's post...
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I can't make sense of it though.
"The multitasking is virtual, not hardware."... It's the same on a PC. You don't have a single processor for each program you run, it's virtually split up by the kernel.
Doesn't the fact that it's a single VM just mean that the multitasking is done on a higher level than the OSE kernel, but it's still multitasking?
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I don't mean that it's not real multi-tasking, just that it runs on one chip (the java chip on the mainboard) which is why it can run a java app or apps alongside internet for example. The JVM is a multi-tasking environment, but the phone's OS is not. The JVM can run alongside other functions only because it is running on a separate processor (in this respect, identical to the K750). Likewise the walkman and the camera also both have their own processor.
My guess is the JVM contains it's own resources, or possibly uses heap memory; java apps on the K750, whose JVM is also on a separate processor, don't seem unduly affected by low main memory. On the K750, you can also use the walkman, surf the internet and run a java app in the background all at the same time (three processors), so the only thing particularly unique about K800 multi-tasking is in the JVM only.
Therefore I wouldn't be surprised if low main memory isn't too much of a concern for java performance.
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simao
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Is it possible to run Symbian applications on the k800? is there a flasher or any sort to do that |
wapt
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@Simao, Definately not. You can run only Java applications.
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antichrist
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sorry if i'm off topic, but whats the highest video played on k800? at 320*240 and mp4
i need to know the video bitrate, audio sample rate, audio bitrate and fps |
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This maybe a stupid question bt y does the W900 run such a low processor compared to K800? and wat roll does the NVidia chip play in conjuction wit da processor?
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what's the processor like on the k610i? would it be similar to the k800i as they run on the same platform(i think)? |
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On 2006-08-10 15:21:44, kalleboo wrote:
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On 2006-08-10 10:38:19, dumbrella wrote:
no, explained in max_wedge's post...
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I can't make sense of it though.
"The multitasking is virtual, not hardware."... It's the same on a PC. You don't have a single processor for each program you run, it's virtually split up by the kernel.
Doesn't the fact that it's a single VM just mean that the multitasking is done on a higher level than the OSE kernel, but it's still multitasking?
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imagine editing 6 photos simultaneously in photoshop |
max_wedge
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Just had a bizzare thought! K800 has 210MHz processor and 64MB internal memory (ie: RAM). I've run a cutdown version of windows 95 on a Pentium 75 (75MHz) and 6MB of RAM with an install footprint of 24MB (that in itself is another story). So that means theoretically, with an efficient emulator running on java, it may be possible to run Windows 95 on a K800!!
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__knk__
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im pretty sure it doesn't quite work like that
the mhz is the how many clock cycles in a certain amount of time, this is why a pentium at 3.0ghz can be matched or outperformed by an amd(say 3000+) which would run at like 1.8ghz because amd do more work per cycle but the clock speed is slower.
therefore im guessing that the 208mhz on the k800i doesnt have anywhere near as much work per cycle as an old pentium machine....but hey hopefully im mistaken
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@max:
if you were to attempt such a outlandish scheme, may i suggest Linux, as it is far more flexible then Windows. (not that I believe it's possible) of course, you could prove me wrong 
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__knk__
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yeh linux would be more suited due to it being much more customisable but its never gonna happen...
edit: just had a thought lol, bochs x86 port for j2me? pretty ridiculous but worth a shot:P
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you never know... 
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max_wedge
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On 2007-02-05 09:10:09, __knk__ wrote:
yeh linux would be more suited due to it being much more customisable but its never gonna happen...
edit: just had a thought lol, bochs x86 port for j2me? pretty ridiculous but worth a shot:P
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Yep bochs for java would be nice! I've run dos on a pocketpc, but not windows yet. Apparently it's possible.
But yes Linux would be better.
By the way, you are right in essence about processors, but not quite. All processers have only one clock cycle per cycle (obvious if you think about it). What's different is that some processors can handle more instructions per clock cycle due to internal cpu architecture.
I disagee with you that AMD are faster or better for several reasons: they run a lot hotter than pentiums, so while they run slower it's so they don't overheat. The hotter running means they are less reliable if case heat buildup is a problem, so for many applications Intel are the most reliable option (regardless of performance).
But while an 1800MHz AMD does do roughly as much work as an Intel running at 3GHz, it's pitched in the market and in price segments at 3GHz Intel chips. So you really aren't getting anymore bang for buck. For some applications (namely intensive graphics ie: floating point operations) performance is better for an equivalently rated intel CPU.
But for applications that don't use 3DNOW, most of the advantages of the AMD disappear. For most common business or home software, an AMD running at 1800MHz will be less zippy than a 3GHz Intel.
To run an AMD 3DNOW processor you need good cooling. To give an example, I saw an AMD chip crack in two when someone booted a machine without the fan and heatsink attached. This happended within 2 seconds of booting the machine. The machine was cold to start with. An intel you could run for 10 seconds or more before the machine would lock up, and then if you turn the machine off and let it cool down, reattach the fan, it will usually still be in perfect working order (but PLEASE no one try this anyone!).
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I think it has more to do with manufacturing process than architecture (in this case).And hammer's werent meant to be speed daemon's as netbursts..
Clock to clock there was no competition..
arm9 vs p2 might be very difficult to compare (risc and cisc,diff topic,arm would be more efficient.)
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On 2007-02-06 17:43:55, shyam335 wrote:
I think it has more to do with manufacturing process than architecture (in this case).And hammer's werent meant to be speed daemon's as netbursts..
Clock to clock there was no competition..
arm9 vs p2 might be very difficult to compare (risc and cisc,diff topic,arm would be more efficient.)
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The manufacturing process can't make a chip faster per se (for a given clock speed - it speed is it's speed), though it can improve the efficiency (less heating for a given clock speed). Unless of course you mean the internal design, which is the architecture is it not? The internal design can allow one x86 processor to be able to process more instructions per clock cycle than a competing x86 processor.
It's exactly the internal architecture of the two chips that makes them different (and also the same - they both use x86 architecture, but each have their own approach to caching, pipelining and multimedia (floating point) operations). AMD 3DNOW instructions are more advanced than the MMX that intel uses, so AMD is better at games, 3d rendering etc. But that's the only real advantage AMD has over intel, and AMD use that advantage to claim an 1800MHz chip is equivalent to an Intel 3GHz, but that only really applies where floating point calculations are required. Anything else and the intel kicks arse.
Risc and ARM however is a completely different cpu architecture, not really comparable at all to x86 processors. RISC processors are more advanced than both Intel or AMD x86 processors.
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