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Bad Traders? |
BobaFett
Joined: Jan 06, 2004
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From: Kamino (wish it would be Lund)
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I dont think its the mods responsibility to judge traders. Its an open info forum as i wrote, trading is an apart of the service as i see.
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Im_The_Scatman
Joined: Oct 07, 2004
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ok, well no naming and shaming then! |
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On 2004-10-07 21:47:00, MikLSP wrote:
I guess this is a good time to get opinions on whether to add an unfortunate untrusted section to my trusted sellers list or whether to start that as a new thread or not bother at all.
Boba is right, people will just come back under a different name.
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I agree ! So that they'll have all the time in the world to defend themselves as well! Everyone has a day in court - as they say ! |
Sammy_boy
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
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From: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
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It depends if the goods arrive - I don't like dissing people, but if it's justified......
Yes, he\she may well sign on with a new name, but at least I would feel I am doing something to stop/minimise this kind of thing happening again, whether it will do or not! 
It might make me feel that tiny bit better also 
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Mike.P®
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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mmm, I just wonder if the people on here saying no would be so quick to disagree if it was them that had been ripped off ... I think not somehow.
Anyway, makes no difference to me ... unless a Mod tells me otherwise I will be posting the offenders name this weekend and the other one a bit later.
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MikLSP
Joined: Sep 21, 2003
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From: se-nse.com
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I wasn't saying you shouldn't, I wap just asking whether people think it should become a section in the Trusted Sellers List.
I wap also stating that people could easily get round being blacklisted by registering under a new name.
I think though it's better that we all know who is guilty as long as you are sure it is their fault
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lordmat
Joined: Jul 21, 2004
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any updates? 
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Sammy_boy
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
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Still nothing! 
Sent him another email, no response though. I'm wondering what to do next - whether I can go to the police or whether they'll tell me to go away, if I can indeed do anything at all about this situation.
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Krubach
Joined: Dec 05, 2002
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I have to disagree with Bobafett.
People should know who bad traders are. Just to be aware...
If this is not a commercial site then why the hell there's a market section.
I'd love to know with whom i can trade with.
And about the problem of someone getting back here with a different name. Well. I wouldn't send anything to a "newbie".
NAME AND SHAME!!!!
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london-uk
Joined: Oct 01, 2003
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@Sammy_boy In my opinion, I would advise you to contact the person by email, and specify a date upon which they must contact you in order to resolve the situation. If the person does not reply by said date, send them a further message informing them that you will report the matter to the police, and then do so.
Presumably you will have a log of correspondence between you and the other party. This would probably contain: 1) His/her initial listing of a phone for sale (in contract law this is known as an 'invitation to treat') 2) Your response e.g. "...I will give you x amount for the phone..." (in contract law - 'the offer') 3) His/her response e.g. "...yes you can purchase the phone for x amount..." (in contract law - 'acceptance'). There are of course other aspects involved within the formation of a contract, but if the three aforementioned criteria are present, I would say that on the balance of probabilities you would have a legally enforcable contract for the sale of the phone. That is step one, the other party could be seen to have breached the contract (this is however in most cases a civil matter).
In respect of criminal liability, the other party could be seen as having 'obtained funds by deception'. There are several other avenues which could be pursued e.g. 'fraudulent distance selling' etc. I am however not quite up to date on criminal law, as it has been a while since I have studied the subject in depth.
If you do contact the police, it will be useful for you to give them all and any correspondance you have regarding the other party. This should include copies of all posts he/she has made to the forum, any personal messages, any emails and details of how you have transferred funds to the other party.
Hope this helps.
Any advice given here should not be taken to signify legal or professional advice, merely my opinion based on my understanding of the law.
P.S. Sorry if composition etc is pretty poor, but it's quite late and I'm off to bed now
EDIT: I believe the Metropoltan Police have a specific division which deals with internet fraud. Google it, or give them a ring.
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Sammy_boy
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@London_UK - thanks for the info, very useful! 
I do have all the correspondence still - the thread here on Esato and the posts in there, the private messages from the other party (but not the ones sent, as Esato doesn't store them), and the emails to/from this person querying where the item is. Also, the payment was done over Nochex, so I have some of the payment details also.
Some good news though - this person has responded to my email. He says that he is going to resend the phone (he must have got it back 'return to sender') and I should get it by Tuesday.
My fingers are crossed
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@sammy_boy - So, you are to become one of the unlucky ones here too  ! I just hope not . . . |
Sammy_boy
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@JN - so do I matey - if that phone turns up it will go a little way towards restoring my faith in humanity!
Let's all send good karma so that this phone doesn't get 'lost in the post' again!
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*Jojo*
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@sammy_boy - If ever, what will you lose here mate . . . money or fone? If it's a fone, is this your SE P800? |
Sammy_boy
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Well, after over a month's worth of emails, promises and excuses, there's still no phone, and he has now gone silent now I've emailed twice asking for my £40 back! Looks like I've been shafted, could've done with that money for Xmas  
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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