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Sammy_boy
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I'm starting to think all governments are the same. They get in with all these promises, soundbites, rhetoric and policy promises, and turn out to be just as crap as the previous government. I think I want Maggie Thatcher back in this country!!  
I think an entire new system of governing is needed, but still a democratic system at the same time. Don't ask me what the alternative is, I don't know!
Perhaps a system that doesn't have political parties, just people from a particular locality voting in a local leader, no party political affiliations maybe?
@boba and @scotsboy, hope you don't mind me dropping in on your duel!! 
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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scotsboyuk
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@boba
You still haven't answered my question and I am beginning to think that you don't want to. You stated that you do not believe in democracy, therefore I think it is perfectly valid to ask you what form of government you would like to see in its place.
Communism? A theocracy? A monarchy? Some other form of government?
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axxxr
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Scotsboy and boba can you throw some religion into the mix aswell please:
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kimcheeboi
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On 2004-07-14 23:24:31, bobafett wrote:
@scotsboyuk and me had, have and will have face each other many times. Last time in case of democracy. Goverments? They are all the same, only the package is different.
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@sboy as i wrote before, no matter what party or gov. They should let me do my job and live my life.
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Rousseau explains that when you enter into society, you agree upon a social contract. You agree to certain terms and conditions (laws) so you can live in society.
So no matter what, you will have to live in a society, adhere to its rules, pay taxes, etc. etc. Therefore, you cannot "live your life" as you want it, no matter how much you want to. That, my friend, is called anarchy.
It's very hard to imagine anarchy as an improvement from democracy...
Speaking of democracy, i don't see why you dislike it, as it is the best system we have so far. Theocracy, Communism, socialism (even Marx denounced his own ideas before he died), monarchy, etc.etc. have not worked to this day.
Maybe we should have Plato's Republic for our government? 
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whizkidd
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Yeah i agree Kim. As of now, democracy is the best bet. Or perhaps a really good and kind hearted dictator who seized power for the sake of his people! Cant there be good dictators?
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scotsboyuk
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Monarchy has worked in this country for millenia! Under such a system we ruled a quarter of the planet, I wouldnt say it is a bad system, and it's even better now that that it is a constitutional monarchy.
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kimcheeboi
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Bloody Mary, killing wives because they didn't have male kids, religious persecution...
I'm sure its worked out sooooo well 
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Vlammetje
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the risk with inherited monarchy is rather obvious: the next in line gets the power, suitable or not  and your country may swing this way under ruler A, and that way under ruler B.
In this day and age, I doubt it would be very successful. Your country may be a monarchy (as is mine) because of the queen, but it's not the way it is governed. There is a difference. A republic (No monarch) can still be a democracy or not.
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scotsboyuk
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@KiMcHeEbOi
I am quite sure that we could trade examples of brutality committed by leaders the world over, but I don’t see what purpose that would serve here, certainly not demonstrating the effectiveness of a particular type of government. The example you refer to was in fact several centuries ago in a time when such actions were tolerated, to an extent.
@Vlamm
We are a constitutional monarchy, so whilst the Sovereign has little power they do still perform a very important role in that they can dissolve parliament and appoint the Prime Minister. The Sovereign is the only check on the power of Parliament in the UK, without the Sovereign any political party with a large enough majority (like just now) would be a virtual dictatorship, able to pass any legislation they wished. Although the Queen has very little say in passing Bills, she does still have the authority to refuse to sign them so that they cannot become law, even if such a power hasn't been use din three hundred years it is still there.
Britain ha sonly ever been a republic once and it didn't go down all that well, as soon as Cromwell died Charles II was invited back as King. Several of the world's oldest democracies are monarchies; it seems to be a system that works rather well.
@boba
I would still like an answer to my question, which system of government would you rather have over democracy?
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Atlis
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 very funny thread...  I would prefer absolutizm - me as a leader, with unlimited power... Sultan of Brunei would be enough.
Are you guys really serious talking about this topic?
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scotsboyuk
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@Atlis
I'm not all that sure, it has been moved to Rubbish (Garbage), but it started out as being a serious thread (I think).
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kimcheeboi
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@scots- well, imperialism isn't much better. Give one person too much power, and yeah, there are your elizabeths, but then there are caliguas. Imo, monarchies give too much power to one person, and the potential for abuse is too great.
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Atlis
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@sboy - I´m sorry for that but I have the same opinion about this thread as that Mod who was so kind and moved this thread to trash...
I would rather talk about sexual experiences  than about politics...
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scotsboyuk
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On 2004-07-15 17:48:21, Atlis wrote:
I would rather talk about sexual experiences than about politics...
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They often go hand in hand!
@KiMcHeEbOi
The present system in the U.K. is quite ironic because the Prime Minister has too much power and the Queen and the House of Lords don't have enough, there must be checks and balances.
The American system is actually quite strange in that the head of government is also the head of state, quite a concentration of power there, although there are checks and balances to regulate that.
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kimcheeboi
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 actually power does fluctuate between the three branches: but right now executive is too powerful 
Bad things happen when idiots gain power.
ANyways, what about sexual experiences? Oh boy! Girl Talk! LOL
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