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Dj Boyi
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Whats with all the anti usa shit! All u guys ever post is hatred towards Bush. If u hate the usa so much,why dont u f* off to iraq and fight against them instead of being all mouth on a forum u can hide behind. I tried to take this thread away from iraq but u cant help urselves can u. Try to think of the 4 dead us soldiers that were strung up from a bridge in iraq,and the ABC journalist thats bin kidnapped,or is that Bush's fault too!
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BobaFett
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@boyi who went to iraq? My personal opinion is against the politic of the us government, not against the nation. Cant remenber also, that the iraq asked bush to remove saddam.
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Sammy_boy
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I have nothing whatsoever against the American people either - but I have to admit that some of their foreign policy stinks! The impression I get is that they think that everyone else in the world loves them and what they stand for. As it is, what the US stands for - freedom of choice, expression, and freedom from persecution for your personal/political views is certainly what other nations should be looking up to and is admirable - but the US shouldn't be 'forcing' themselves and their beliefs on everyone else by military force - no matter how honourable those views are. With the US being a hyperpower, with no second power to balance it, it is in a position it can potentially abuse.
I've heard people say as well that Bush Jr. wanted to finish off the job his father didn't in 1991 - I'm not sure of that, juries out on that one!!
Gulf War I was a 'good' (if I could use such a word!) war, it had a reason and rationale. We should have nailed Saddam then. We didn't, our mistake, but we didn't need a sequel to it! Gulf War II, like most sequels, was rubbish and totally unnessecary. Please US, don't make it a trilogy with Gulf War III! 
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BobaFett
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i would be really interested, how the us members here think of this iraq story. they are closer personally to thi problem, would be nice to here a report from there. think, they see it from another point of view. dont mean, they like and accept the situation, but how they feel and think about the anti-us movements all around the world. its a thin limit between the politic and personality. when we blame their country, they could feel blaming them. even its not the case, hard to hear and read bad words of the own country.
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richy240
Joined: Jan 24, 2003
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From: Houston, Texas, USA
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I am from the US... here are my 2 cents:
The US should get the hell out of Iraq. It is my opinion that we have NO business there, and WE (as a force in Iraq, not me personally) are the terrorists in this case. Every time an American gets killed in Iraq, I just shake my head and go about my business. I feel sorry for the individuals in Iraq - the military and civilian personnel - but as a force, the Americans in Iraq deserve what they get, which will most likely be a shotgun (or in this case an automatic assault rifle) up the ass.
It makes me angry that Americans do not see the error in the foreign policy of the US and the Bush Administration. That, and Americans in general are blood thirsty. As long as a fight is in the name of Democracy, it is ok, no matter what happens. (Or, that is what is generally accepted anyway.)
It makes me sick.
I am venting here, but this is the basis for how I feel. I believe G.W. Bush got a hard-on when he invaded Iraq. I believe that Iraq had very little if not nothing to do with the events on Sept. 11th. I believe G.W. Bush just wanted an excuse to invade and finish what his daddy started. I believe that bastard (G.W.B.) is a liar and a cheat and I believe he should be taken out of office immediately.
I am not Anti-US, but anti-US Government and Anti-Bush Administration. I see the US as the rotting corpse of freedom: you can still see it, but it is so degraded that it isn't what it once was. We've got it good, but we're killing ourselves.
Of course, I'd be called a traitor in some social circles.
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boto43
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you've gotta ask the question to all kidnaped ppl in Iraq.That's a result of american politics.
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richy240
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By the way, Bush is from my home state. That makes it extra difficult to get my voice heard. I'm surrounded by cowboys and rednecks on all sides. The type of people who don't like you if you don't drive a shitty (they're shitty, trust me) American car.
It isn't just the government I have a problem with. The people here are so brainwashed that they believe and back anything the government says. And things have to get rediculous before they see that it is all just bullshit. People are just starting to question the reasoning behind the invasion of Iraq. Well America, you're about A YEAR LATE YOU BASTARDS! Shoot first and ask questions later: the American way.
I hate the politics of this country.
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richy240
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boto43 wrote:
you've gotta ask the question to all kidnaped ppl in Iraq.That's a result of american politics.
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Of course it is! And they (not the individuals, but the force) deserve what they get! They shouldn't be there in the first place. They could have stopped the kidnappings by staying home.
I feel it is important to clearly differentiate the individuals from the force. I know many people who are fighting in Iraq because they have no choice: military personnel who needed money for college for the like. Then there is the force, which is made up of many individuals.
It is the force I have a problem with. The individuals (except the decision makers, of course) have families and friends and jobs etc.
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boto43
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Finally,someone said the truth.I am glad not to drive us a shitty car but good Germans one.
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richy240
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@boyi
If you agree with G.W. Bush so much, why don't YOU go to Iraq and kill people in the name of Democracy, you evil bastard. And while you're at it, send my friends home. I would like to see them alive one more time.
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boto43
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@richie yes,I understand you and all us military servicemen in IRQ.It's not easy to everyone. What mistake did 3 czechs colomnist kidnaped in IRQ.
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richy240
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@boto43
I know nothing about any Czech journalists. At this point does it matter WHY they are being held? Ultimately it is because the US government decided to invade Iraq. Unless they are there for reasons completely unrelated to the war (which I highly doubt), they are the indirect victims of US foreign policy.
(Shit, even if they are there for reasons directly related to the war they are victims of US foreign policy. They just knew the risks before they arrived in Iraq.)
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Pitta Baainens
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Bush is an asshole even my sister is smarter as him
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Dj Boyi
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On 2004-04-12 22:29:44, richy240 wrote:
@boyi
If you agree with G.W. Bush so much, why don't YOU go to Iraq and kill people in the name of Democracy, you evil bastard.
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Who said i agreed with Bush? And why do you call me an evil bastard?
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On 2004-04-12 22:19:26, richy240 wrote:
The individuals (except the decision makers, of course) have families and friends and jobs etc.
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What a pathetic comment!
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On 2004-04-12 22:44:12, richy240 wrote:
@boto43
I know nothing about any Czech journalists. At this point does it matter WHY they are being held?
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To the Czech families it does!
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On 2004-04-12 22:44:12, richy240 wrote:
Ultimately it is because the US government decided to invade Iraq.
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So why was everyone in agreement with the 1441 resolution? I see troops from Italy,Turkey,Japan,Spain,Ukraine and the UK,im sure i've missed some other countries out too 
Anyway,it was Americans who voted in Bush,we in the UK did'nt.Maybe you Americans should have stuck to the guy who likes having his manhood sucked by other women,i mean,would Bill Clinton do any better?
It has to be stopped before it starts,or would you prefer the allies to pull out of Iraq altogether and let Iraq (eventually) turn into a haven for terror organisations,ie Al Quaeda.If we did this,you would see many more 9/11's,there would be a date like that for every month,then you would think differently.When you have lived in a country that has had yrs and yrs of the IRA bombing Northern Ireland and the British mainland you get pissed off with it! People are safer in the UK now,i suppose Americans are soft when it comes to terrorism in the homeland,as you had'nt had much of it before 9/11,maybe Bush has learnt from our mistakes and wants to nip it in the bud before it gets totally chaotic!
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On 2004-04-12 22:14:04, richy240 wrote:
Shoot first and ask questions later: the American way.
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You got that right,but in your case its,shoot your mouth off first,then reread the posts later 
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richy240
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I don't have time to reply to all these points now, but I promise a point-by-point rebuttal tomorrow when I return to work.
For now, I would like to say that I think your logic is severely erred and cannot stand on its own. You'll see what I mean when I have a moment ro reply. Or maybe you won't. You seem quite angry.
By the way, I called you an evil bastard for dramatic effect. You shouldn't take things so personally.
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