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absinthebri
Joined: Feb 11, 2004
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From: London, UK
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You're free to smoke, and I have the right not to have to breathe the fumes. I also have the right to a social life. Perhaps smokers should stay at home? ;-)
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Cycovision
Joined: Nov 30, 2003
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From: England
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I'm a smoker, but I agree totally that smokers should not force others to inhale their smoke against their will. I would never dream of lighting up in a no smoking zone or, especially, around children and I am very considerate around non-smokers, even in areas where smoking is allowed.
The only thing I hate is the way that some non-smokers take their anti-smoking views to extremes, and literally treat ALL smokers like they are the scum of the Earth. This is simply not fair, because not all smokers are inconsiderate. I was once chastised by a particularly opinionated non-smoker for smoking OUTSIDE of a take-away restaurant, claiming that I was inflicting my smoke on people entering and leaving the building! I wouldn't have minded, except I was stood about 5 meters away from the door, and the wind was blowing in the opposite direction!
Have you ever noticed how the worst anti-smokers are usually ex-smokers themselves 
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absinthebri
Joined: Feb 11, 2004
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From: London, UK
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<---- ex-smoker (can you tell?) ;-)
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snap-hiss
Joined: Nov 06, 2002
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There are a lot of public bans starting in the US, are the same things happening in Europe?
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sn3ipen
Joined: Aug 18, 2003
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On 2004-03-13 17:24:07, masseur wrote:
I disagree that smokers should have the same rights as non smokers.
also governments are slow to react because they get alot of taxes from cigarettes, but on the other hand it also costs alot of money on the health system, and don't even get me started on my thoughts on people who bring illness upon themselves from lifestyle choices having to pay their full health costs themselves!
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You say that the smokeing do cost the health system that much. I have to dissagree with you there since there was a test on the tv one day that figured out that smokers do have shorter life and it does make sence that a guy that is dying because of cancer when he is 50 years is costing the society less then a guy that is dying when he is 90 years. Just think about it.
The thing you are saying about that smokers should pay for their own health care when they get sick is not very human. Think about if everyone that goes on drug/alcohol and the fat people dont get any help because it is their own fault that they are sick. It is just sick as the word sick itself.
I agree with you guyz that people should not get bad smell or risk their health because of other people's smoking but the thing is that i as a big smoker that have smoked since i was thirteen dont like to go out on the town and take a beer and have to go outside every five minutes. Oh yez i am smokiang that much when i am drinking but if i have to go outside every time i have to smoke and then wait up to 1 hour to get inside i rather stay at a private party or something like that.
I think that non smoking bars will be empty bars because i will stop go out if they make smoking forbiden and i think there is alot of people that agree with me in that and when lots of the smokers rather stay at home instead of going out the non smokers will also stop to go out because there will not be any fun to go on a place that is only half full.
I think there will be alot of trubles when a drunk smoker want to take a smoke and the security guards tell him to go out.
but on the other side i have to agree with the non smokers in that some places it should be ilegal to smoke. I think they should make it ilegal to smoke on places where kids is alowed to come inside because i dont like the thoughts about that smokers is making the kids feel uncomfortable. Then again forexample the pizzaplaces will maybe try to make it 16year to come inside so they can have smokers so it is not so easy to decide.
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BobaFett
Joined: Jan 06, 2004
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Think this is a kind of endless conversation. Ebody in case of smoking can take responsibility 4 him/herself in d public,if some dont give attention in d public 4 nonsmokers,i cant help.i can and many others here as i c.
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BlackAdder III
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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To meet ebodys needs, there should be areas for smokers and da same for non smokers!
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Dj Boyi
Joined: Oct 05, 2002
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From: Liberty City
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For years in our old traditional UK pubs you will notice some have a seperate room with the 'smoke room' frosted glass window on the door,its nothing new.I agree about not smoking in some places,like supermarkets and shops,but if im walking down the street and want to smoke,then i have every right to do so! And if anyone complains about that!,then they would prolly get a fag stubbed out on their forehead! 
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spike731
Joined: Jul 18, 2002
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Smoking should definately be banned ANYWHERE that smokers come into contact with non smokers, I always avoid smokey atmospheres like pubs, but at the moment there is nothing to stop inconsiderate smokers from poisoning me on the street, bus stop etc. How smokers think they have some kind of right to do this is truly beyond me!, and I really enjoy paying for their self inflicted health problems.
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snap-hiss
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On 2004-03-13 20:54:29, spike731 wrote:
Smoking should definately be banned ANYWHERE that smokers come into contact with non smokers, I always avoid smokey atmospheres like pubs, but at the moment there is nothing to stop inconsiderate smokers from poisoning me on the street, bus stop etc. How smokers think they have some kind of right to do this is truly beyond me!, and I really enjoy paying for their self inflicted health problems.
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Ah ha! ... Amen.
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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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From: Trnava-Nitra,Pardubice CSSR
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Really good discussion about smoking. I am just curious to know how many ppl die of smoking in western countries and how many ppl die of starvation in third world countries. Because smoking isn't such deadly in Iraq like killing and starvation
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Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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From: Den Haag
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That may be true, but the topic is smoking so lets not bring any other worldly topics into  I mean, AIDS is a killer too but it's got nothing to do with the topic.
Now.... this discussion is of particualr interest to me as since 1st of jan we have a law in place that basically provides every worker with a right to a smoke free working space. Working in a hotel, this is easier said then done, especially for our waiters and bartenders. It's a work in progress right now.
Thre is one point I would like to add to the current convo. Something that is commonly overlooked in the discussion of smoking or non-smoking, but will probably become an increasingly large issue.
It is a fact that people nowadays suffer from more allergies and more 'airpipe' defeciencies (or is the word 'respitory diseases'? think asthma and the like) then they did, say 50 years ago. This has to do with all the crap we breath in every day (think cars, factories and ciggies alike, also our beloved mother nature incidentally makes a contribution) and the crap we eat every day (think our food is even remotely natural?? Forget it)
As a simple result of our 'welfare' and 'economics', we have an ever growing group of ppl who have trouble breathing even when the air is 'clean'. This ever-growing group of ppl are the ones that suffer the most from smokers in their presence. And they have no defense at all.
So if only for the sake of those ppl, I would support smoke free areas and sepearte smoking areas, physically separated from eachother by shut doors and such.
just as every smoker feels he has a right to smoke, every non smoker has a god-given right not to inhale 'second hand' smoke.
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boto43
Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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From: Trnava-Nitra,Pardubice CSSR
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You are good anti smoker. Maybe you are a doctor. I'm sure u haven't understood what I meant. Topic of non smokers places isn't so important as discussion about more important things. What about talk Spanish' bombing. I hope u r able 2 understand. |
magster
Joined: Feb 21, 2004
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Thats another topic and more serious- u r right. Absolutely awful- my friend brother injured in it.
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grammo
Joined: Sep 24, 2003
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From: England
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As soon as they ban farting in public places, I'll stop smoking in them  |
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