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shaggyhog
Joined: Aug 13, 2003
Posts: 164
From: Scotland (in exile)
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Nice one boyi, much more concise than me!!  | |
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jbendaou
Joined: Feb 11, 2003
Posts: 458
From: Washington, DC
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Pleber! you said u were tired of the "religious" fights on esato,etc...
Didnt you know that by posting something like that(theme) you were gonna create a big deal? Yes there is nothing wrong by posting a theme of "your" country, but you have seen in the past how israelo/palestinian discussions go in here. You could have avoided that. as soon as i signed on esato and i saw the tittle of this thread, i was like ooooh gawd...there is gonna be a big mess.
I really did not want to reply in here, cause it is not gonna take me or us anywhere...but the only reason that made me reply is this that u wrote. quote:
If the Israelis were even a tenth as bad as you people made out, they would adopt the methods used by the Palestinians – and could wipe out every Palestinian in days. Instead they only target militants, but even that’s not good enough for you. Every chance you get you criticize the Israelis. Do you agree with 9/11?
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What in the world do you mean by as bad as you people? ARE YOU SAYING I AM BAD??? u better not cause i'll fcuk you up...I thought you were mature enough not to generalize.
For 911, do you know the real reason behind it??? Who do you think drove the "terrorists" to do that?
that is all i am gonna say, cause i really don't want to fall back into this strappy conversation that wont lead me anywhere..
PLEASE LOCK THE GOD DAMN TOPIC!!!!!
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pleber
Joined: Jul 22, 2003
Posts: 200
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[ This Message was edited by: pleber on 2003-10-25 22:43 ] |
Worf
Joined: Aug 07, 2003
Posts: 5
From: Banja Luka, Republic of Srpska
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I agree with Pleber... |
Newton
Joined: Mar 06, 2002
Posts: 95
From: Lausanne, Switzerland
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it ain't about the theme...
It just started with a joke and then you responded very strongly with your own beliefs and arguments (which you have every right to have), saying Israeli are the good people and that Palestinians are the bad one is a little bit too simple for most of us I guess.... You cannot expect people not to react when you see something like this...
It's a war. People die. Not soldiers. On both sides. You can't say there's a right or wrong thing to do. Especially when everybody's claiming to do this in the name of god.
It's just plain wrong in the end... |
pleber
Joined: Jul 22, 2003
Posts: 200
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[ This Message was edited by: pleber on 2003-10-25 22:43 ] |
davidberens
Joined: May 04, 2002
Posts: 9
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please post a link to the theme. |
SonyBoy
Joined: Aug 31, 2002
Posts: 84
From: NY, USA
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pleber you are more then right, I live in Israel, and I can tell you that evrey word of u is right. I dont see my self as a jew. my grandparents did, my parents do, but I dont. Im just a european looking guy, european thinking guy, european culture guy, THAT'S STUCK IN A EUROPEAN COUNTRY THAT TRIES TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM PRIMITIVE BARBARIAN KILLERS, WHO DIDNT WANT PEACE EVEN WHEN WE OFFERED THEM 107% OF THE TERRITORIES THEY HAD.(in 3 different peace process).
theres nothing you can do about the fact that many people think they are weak so they need to pity them, and dont understand that if palestinians were stronger they would probably not only destroying Israel, but every not Muslim people they could.
These people target coffee shops !!! Malls !! Pubs !!
you know who sitts there ?? NICE BLONDE GIRLS WHO LOOK AND ACT AND THINK AND FEEL EXACTLLY LIKE THE GIRLS IN SWITZERLAND for example.
WE DONT KNOW NOTHING EXCEPT FOR THE WANT FOR PEACE FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND OFFERED 107% OF THE TERRITORIES. WHICH MEANS WE ARE ALREADY WILLING TO GIVE MORE THEN THE PALESTINIANS HAD !!!
BUT WE GET ONLY TERROR ATTACKS HERE, AND STUPID ARABS SITS IN SCOTLAND AND DARING TO WRITE THESE DEMAGOGIC SHIT HERE.
send a link to the theme mate. (although I prefer a UK or US one 
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jbendaou
Joined: Feb 11, 2003
Posts: 458
From: Washington, DC
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Peber,
i kinda knew that u werent a jew or even from israel, i believe that you are from philipines...
Anyways, this doesnt matter...i just would love this topic to be locked, cause even if everyone is entitled to writting what they want...it is only gonn alead to BS talks.
Everyone has their own belief and no matter what you or i say, it is not gonna change their beliefs..sooo please mods lock this up
i just ask for one favor for the next posters, PLEASE do not say arabs did that or jews did that...it is only gonna make people mad...
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Indianbwoy
Joined: Nov 08, 2002
Posts: 108
From: London, UK
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Oops look what I started! LOL!
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| Pleber : Israelis have a right to be in Israel. They have a history there, and it is their chosen place. The Palestinians are not even a people or nation. They are a mixed descendant population that has moved into the region known as Palestine over the years. They have no history there or no religious right to be there. |
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I see this is the reason why ur government and its people do not feel any humanity or empathy towards the Palestinians and their plight, whatever they may be, they are people first. Even from ur statement, considering thats its been about 1900 years since Israel was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, u have totally dismissed the remaining people groups and the original non-jewish inhabitants lives, traditions, cultures and histories. I can guarantee you that alot can happen in 1900 years! You cant just wipe that out coz u feel like it!
I can apply this to a similar situation in my life. My ancestory is Indian, but my grandad on my dads side was born and has ancestory in what is now called Pakistan. Does this enable in lets say 1000yrs time, for my future bloodlines and many others to lay claim to Pakistan as Indian territory again just solely coz our ancestory comes from there?
The stupid argument that 'God gave that land to us' and 'the proof is written in the Old testament' is such a preposterous argument in this day, age and time that Im surprised that the people who said it 50yrs ago in defence of Israel werent rushed off and sectioned! How can u lay claim on a land on such a ludicrous argument that its written 'God' said so?
Like Israel is now such a paradise and its people are so god fearing and praising that it murders the countless and innocent people who have no hope through being basically starved and tortured for voicing their concerns.
These people were basically pushed out when Israel early on kept, and still is continuing to, build settlements, on the palestinian peoples land, for what I would describe as foreigners.
It doesnt matter whether the Jews were here 4000yrs before or even 1000. The fact is that there was only a small minority of Jews in Palestine before Israel was created. So the people who have become Israelies in the past 50yrs are basically foreigners laying a paper thin claim to a land that they seem to have no concept of the surviving cultures and ways of the settled inhabitants.
From BBC reports, I have seen how the Israeli government AKA USA style, brainwashes and sanitises its citizens with propaganda. You will always get Israelis saying, 'We are always and have continually offered out our hands for peace and they are always ungrateful and reward us by killing us' (Which is utter BS if you have seen thru history that Israel has consistently halted and bodged up the peace processes et al with unreasonable demands and agreements with all of the countries it has battled/invaded)
Maybe you should realise that because you have the Palestinians cornered, terrorised and frightened, these are the people that are the most dangerous as u have eradicated all of their hopes and they will go to any and every extreme against u. This is y they cling to their religion, its the only thing keeping them 2gether as a people.
By Israel retaliating to their attacks on a murder scale of 1 Israeli life = 5+ Palestinians, the Israelis are oblivious to the fact that these people will retaliate just as they are retaliating. They are just following the example set before them.
Basically you are one and the same.
Everyone prob knows it will never end, unless the Israelis get out and go back to US, Russia, Poland and wherever else they originally came from pre 1948. They have majorly f**ked up any chance of living in peace with its ancestral homelands people. Jewish people should have learned a lesson by WW2, but it seems they have actually taken on alot of their persecutors roles. In reality, they are the invaders.
It was on one of the History channels programmes that I think it was a consultancy team during Roosevelts presidency, but whilst Israels creation was being looked into, that they had ruled against creating it because they concluded that it would create too many problems and for the coming years. But then Truman wanted the Jewish vote so he ignored the recommendations and voila here we have a tombola of unresolveable problems.
God I love posts like this! Next week I will be disecting Nestle vs The Coffee Farmers 
BEWARE IN ADVANCE : DO NOT CREATE A NESTLE THEME! LOL!
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BTW - I do actually like ur theme! The Blue is nice!
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Dj Boyi
Joined: Oct 05, 2002
Posts: > 500
From: Liberty City
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Hope thats it now :-D
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tranquil
Joined: Dec 15, 2001
Posts: > 500
From: Oslo, Norway
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Guys!
A THEME was posted so that everyone who wanted it could have it for free. To Esato this is just another theme.
I'm stunned by the fact that everytime Israel or Palistine is mentioned a verbal war breaks out here in the forum.
I was tempted to remove the topic but that wouldn't be fair to the creator of the theme or the ones who would like to use it on their phones so I'm locking it for the time being.
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Posted: 2003-09-14 16:41
