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ppcrockar
Joined: Mar 04, 2002
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@ pleber
So what you're basicly saying is that you agree with the Israeli way of handlig things... I for sure don't. But I don't agree with terrorists either. But there is always a reason behind terrorist attacks. They are not hating Israel for nothing.
You could have death penalty for severe terrorists act... like blowing up a bus with innocent people, but bombing the crap out of them without trial isn't helping anyone.. in fact it's only making it worse.
Also the majority of the palestinians doesn't deserve the way Israel is treating them.
@ Vlammetje
Well said.. that was partly what I wanted to say. And yes I was also thinking about the US 
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pleber
Joined: Jul 22, 2003
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@Vlammetje
Your right, Israel do not enough care when killing terrorists. But lets look at recent events.
But your missing the point. Hamas etc. intentionally target innocents. Israel do not. Look at recent events.
Israel kills a Hamas militant they believe was going to commit a suicide attack. How do Hamas etc. respond? Do they
A, Kill a Israeli Solider in response
B, Kill a Israeli politician that makes Israel’s Military decision
c, Blow up a bus for of innocent people
@ppcrockar
You're right there are always a reasons behind terrorist attacks. But not always are those reasons reasonable. Like the killing of 21 innocent civilians in response to a hamas Militant being killed. Does that sound reasonable?
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"You could have death penalty for severe terrorists act... like blowing up a bus with innocent people, but bombing the crap out of them without trial isn't helping anyone.. in fact it's only making it worse."
If it is morally right to execute a terrorist for the murder of 21 people in a bus, then it is morally right to execute a terrorist for the murder of one person. Israel cannot execute suicide bombers because they are dead once they carry out the attack. They can only attack those behind the suicide bombers.
"Also the majority of the Palestinians doesn't deserve the way Israel is treating them. "
Your right... but how else can Israel protect its citizens without closing them in. Do you think Israel are treating the Palestinians they way they are for fun? Or to show them whos boss? No, its for security purposes only. Israel would rather make like difficult for a thousand people if it meant saving one life.
I do not agree with the assignation of anyone, including terrorists. They should all have trials. In saying that I can’t see a country that dealing with terrorists better than Israel.
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Also, back to GSM networks.. US don’t need that technology... NSA already have a direct link to all your conversations on landline and GSM directly from the phone companies.
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Vlammetje
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Dear gawd......
USA will have and abuse the technology mark my words.
I am not willing to pasrticipate in any argument over Israel. The situation is bad enough as it is. unfortunately, it is the ppl that have no room for thoughts in theri mind except this 1: 'I am right and all others are wrong.' that keep the violence alive. This does not just apply for Israel btw.
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Carlsb3rg
Joined: Jun 07, 2003
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U know come to think of it.. its all the brits fault for bringing the jewish into the region. haha. |
pleber
Joined: Jul 22, 2003
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Just giving back what belonged to them. |
slamEVIL
Joined: Aug 14, 2003
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LOL @Carlsb3rg and @macki_c!!!
ok check this out. we (U.S.) don't need to worry about the government getting their hands on this technology because they will still need a warrent to listen. and how will they get a warrent? well, they will need probable cause. such as say, i don't know, you were part of a terrorist organization, or a known druglord, or were conspireing kill the president. in which case, you deserve to be tapped and caught.
and what's all this crap about Isreal having the best military. are you smoking crack?
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laffen
Joined: Aug 07, 2001
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From: Oslo, Norway
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Please don't force me to move this thread into the "Mobile phone free zone". It's ok for you to share your opinion about Israel, but don't hijack this GMS Security related thread. Start another topic if you want to discuss Israel, Palestine etc. |
pleber
Joined: Jul 22, 2003
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Israel have the best Military. They may not have the LARGEST military, they don't have the STRONGEST military, but they have the best.
Their troops are better trained that any other country (Espically Special Forces)
They have the best pilots in the World (Israel constantly out preforms US pilots in joint US-Israel operations/training)
This could be because Israel have the best jets.. (US, but with better technology in the cockpit)
They have definatly the best trained helicopter gunship pilots in the world.
And last but not least, they have by far the best Intelligence in the world.
They wouldn't stand a change agains a country like Russia or the US, but they have the best Military. Besides, if Russia or the US etc. ever went against Israel, I pretty sure Israel would not hesitate a second to make them glow in the dark... :/
But I think the GMS is still a pretty secure network...
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t68iNWO
Joined: Apr 05, 2003
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some of you people need to learn when to speak up and when not to. If you don't know the situation, don't offer your 2 cents cause they don't mean a damn thing. I'd know, i lived there for 13 years, and if anything, innocent people on both sides get killed, not just one side. it's funny how any jew would say they NEVER kill a innocent palestinian...when is the last time you watchd the news and the 'high tech' israeli hellicopters miss ANOTHER moving target and kill 12 bystandards (sept. 2, 2003), huh? and who said it was palestinians who flew planes into buildings?... name 1 'mr. know it all' (they were saudis and pakis, but wait, all jews/israelis think muslims are all the same, right?). wait, then why is it that I am a CHRISTIAN palestinian (orthodox to be exact)? so does that make everyone the same? damn, first thing a jew does, take a cheap shot! both peoples are at fault, and the only way things will ever be settled are when the israelis pack their crap and ship out back to eastern europe. but until then, if the right would shut their mouth, then we wouldn't have most of the problems we'd have today. that's MY 2 cents. let's just remember 1 thing...SONY ERICSSON ALL THE WAY (at least something can make us all happy)!
The New World Order in Mobile Technology is here...Sony Ericsson! |
Carlsb3rg
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which is stupid logic in todays world |
nyk_2702
Joined: Mar 29, 2002
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@ Pleber
Best army?
Best trained?
If it wsnt for the Billions and Billions from the US, the Israel wouldnt exist, Please look at ur facts THEN offer ur thoughts
From wat i've read, ur a biased person who knows nothing about Israel and its 'peaceful' History (Any1 els Notice the Sarcasm in that ? ) LoL
Cheers
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