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erazer007
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Rightly said Mark! 
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nirave
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On 2010-02-02 19:10:54, MWEB wrote:
I have done about 600 quids worth of business with Scott over the last couple of months, his dealings with me have been exemplary, the A-Z counts for sod all these days, some right weasels have perfect feedback, and some highly decent traders have the odd neg.
These days i only trade amongst the Esato elite who inhabit Twitter, (my good friend and superstar trader PK being the exception) and deal ONLY with people i know as friends.
I totally agree mate. I had issues with Scottt in the past but as the feedback I left for him shows, my trade with him was exemplary and simply put the only reason I trusted him was because I know him through Twitter etc.
The A-Z is beginning to mean pretty much sod all imho!
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lemmy31
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
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From: Swadlincote
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On 2010-02-02 20:06:35, nv1286 wrote:
On 2010-02-02 19:10:54, MWEB wrote:
I have done about 600 quids worth of business with Scott over the last couple of months, his dealings with me have been exemplary, the A-Z counts for sod all these days, some right weasels have perfect feedback, and some highly decent traders have the odd neg.
These days i only trade amongst the Esato elite who inhabit Twitter, (my good friend and superstar trader PK being the exception) and deal ONLY with people i know as friends.
I totally agree mate. I had issues with Scottt in the past but as the feedback I left for him shows, my trade with him was exemplary and simply put the only reason I trusted him was because I know him through Twitter etc.
The A-Z is beginning to mean pretty much sod all imho!
I have no problem with Scottt either, i have left him with positive feedback recently also but to say the A-Z is worthless is a bit shortsighted. The fact is that recently Scottt has had some problems with negative feedback. I dont know the circumstances between Scottt and waibun_lee, but i would hope that before opening a thread asking Scott for money he is definate in his accusations . I dont use twitter, never will and i make no apology for not being one of the Esato ELITE so to speak, but considering the effort that is put into the A-Z by Mik it remains a very worthwhile resource for us weasels with great feedback who dont twitter.
Regards Craig
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MWEB
Joined: Feb 13, 2005
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Put it this way, you can judge a persons character infinitely better by interacting with them on a daily basis, and seeing how they function in all their various life aspects, than merely looking at the number of + or - next to their name in the A-Z.
No disrespect intended to you personally Craig.
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waibun_lee
Joined: Dec 03, 2004
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I will say scott has been in touch regularly over this fiasco, the thread was started to mark my intentions not anything like a smear campaign. I have been a member of this forum for well over 5 years and the A-ZoTT is a great idea and top marks to Mik to keep it all sorted.
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MikLSP
Joined: Sep 21, 2003
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The A-ZoTT is, as it has always been, a guide and should be used as exactly that. No feedback service ever guarantees a deal but merely offers a reflection of someone's previous actions as a trader. This is intended to help all, irrespective of which social networks or self proclaimed "elite" groups they inhabit, but must only be considered as a factor amongst others in helping you deal securely. Of course if you consider this useless there is no obligation to use it.
Now before getting too far off topic, its always unfortunate to see situations of discontent such as this but, as ever, communication is absolutely paramount. Most problems can be resolved by being honest and up front and I hope you guys can come to an admirable solution.
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shelly58
Joined: Jun 19, 2004
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From: Nottingham UK
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On 2010-02-02 21:28:11, MWEB wrote:
Put it this way, you can judge a persons character infinitely better by interacting with them on a daily basis, and seeing how they function in all their various life aspects, than merely looking at the number of + or - next to their name in the A-Z.
No disrespect intended to you personally Craig.
so what you're saying is that unless you're a regular member of twitter we might be dodgy??? seems a little unfair on us genuine people that trade and ARE trustworthy, unless im also considered among those that might not be??
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dougproctor
Joined: Jan 07, 2004
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Well said Shelly! Most of us contributing to this thread have been on this site for many years and we know who to deal with and who to avoid. We have all been surprised of late at the deals that have gone wrong with people who you would never dream would go bad.
I am quite prepared to forgive once but some people do take the pee! And I am not a Twitterer either.......
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mutleyboy
Joined: Jul 06, 2003
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From: Swansea
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and it is very easy to misjudge someone who you only deal with online, it doesnt matter if you converse with them daily over a long period of time its still possible to pretend to be something you are not online. For instance some people like to think they are above other people and all high and mighty but turn out to be the biggest hypocrits you could ever wish to have the misfortune of encountering.
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MWEB
Joined: Feb 13, 2005
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Ha, believe you me, if i thought the A-Z was "useless" or, if i thought that "everybody" who chooses not to avail themselves of getting to know trading partners via social media was "dodgy" i would have bloody said exactly that!
I'd rather know who i'm dealing with, then potential pitfalls can be reduced to a minimum, basic common sense in my book.
Mutleyboy has a point, i thought i had a good understanding of his character until he welshed (no pun intended) on two done deals that i had the good grace not to highlight in the A-Z.
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MikLSP
Joined: Sep 21, 2003
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The overriding point is that you should only make a deal when you are completely happy and comfortable with the conditions and the person you are dealing with. The A-ZoTT just aids you in this and isn't a definitive factor, other sources are useful too to some but not others. Of course they certainly don't guarantee anything more than say the A-ZoTT, regular forum use or good old common sense either.
Ultimately, do a deal YOUR way with who YOU'RE happy with, if you aren't comfortable then don't deal, it's never worth unnecessary risk.
Mik
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mutleyboy
Joined: Jul 06, 2003
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From: Swansea
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What is the point of having a trusted traders list if its not used to highlight the negative and positives? Good grace not to mention it? I would have been more than happy for you to list the said deals as negatives for me, fact of the matter is I did not receive anything and not pay for it nor did I accept payment and not send anything.
I would have been happy for you to list a negative and explain what had happened and then have all involved parties explain their side of the story, and allow people to judge whether to trade with me after having all the information out in the open 
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lemmy31
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
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On 2010-02-02 21:28:11, MWEB wrote:
Put it this way, you can judge a persons character infinitely better by interacting with them on a daily basis, and seeing how they function in all their various life aspects, than merely looking at the number of + or - next to their name in the A-Z.
No disrespect intended to you personally Craig.
No disrespect taken , and im not casting doubt over anyone....Scottt included. However if a person has garnered 6 negative feedback, 2 of them quite recently then it stands to reason that other people will be wary of dealing with that person. Now speak as you find is my motto and the two dealings ive had with Scottt have turned out Ok and on that basis i can see why he has gathered a positive feedback of over 70........bui it still doesnt alter the fact that 6 different traders have found reason to post negatives, and looking at the names most are very respected traders themselves. Thanks to the A-Z i have never had a problem on here.....and that could change on my next trade, its a gamble you take. But as i have said, its far from redundant.
Regards Craig
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domipost
Joined: Mar 18, 2007
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Well said Mik!
I myself are pretty much open to anyone to make a deal with, but I agree that one should take a bit more care than I do. Got screwed a couple of times too (though mostly via ebay), but yeah, guess that's my own fold 
Quite agree with Mark that over twitter you get to know people a bit better, but I don't think that should be any more thrusted than the A-Z, as the people who are trying to screw you will most likely pretend they are perfectly normal through Twitter, facebook or whatever.
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dazbradbury
Joined: Nov 24, 2002
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I certainly don't post on here regularly anymore, and I'm definitely not among the elite, but I can say that none of us should lose perspective. Esato is a great site, with a great board, and is often home to some cracking deals. I've dealt with several people in this thread, and it's worth remembering that the vast, vast majority of trades done on Esato aren't dodgy in any way, shape, or form! Most of them go so swimmingly smooth that none of us notice them. Don't let one PERHAPS sour deal make you doubt the legitimacy of the many users of this board.
You can see how long I've been around here. It would be a shame for people to start harbouring distrust. The A2Z is a great utility and I welcome it's existence. It should and will continue to be used both as a reference and as a guide. Nothing is ever guaranteed when buying via the web, but Esato is a trustworthy place. Long may it remain.
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