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Is the next-gen iPhone release enough to ensure Apple’s smartphone market dominance? |
hihihans
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@ se-love , aint all that whoolaa is what we get exited about. And nag about cause its never enough. 
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S4k1s
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You can twist and turn it as u like but the fact is the only market the iPhone might be dominating right now is the one over at AT&T...
Maybe one year from now it will dominate worldwide but it isn't doing that right now.
And you know what, I know lots of people that got the iPhone just because they see it as status symbol and not because it's a smarthphone. The generalisation you do of "Nokia people" can also be made for "iPhone people"... |
apolloa
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On 2009-06-02 01:15:41, S4k1s wrote:
You can twist and turn it as u like but the fact is the only market the iPhone might be dominating right now is the one over at AT&T...
Maybe one year from now it will dominate worldwide but it isn't doing that right now.
And you know what, I know lots of people that got the iPhone just because they see it as status symbol and not because it's a smarthphone. The generalisation you do of "Nokia people" can also be made for "iPhone people"...
Well said, It pees me off the way people try to claim as FACT that the iPhone has dominated the smart phone market, and conveniently forget a little company called....Nokia!
The iPhone has so many faults it's ludicrous, yes it has a flashy interface but it will NEVER dominate the worldwide smartphone market.
I know PLENTY of people that can afford an iPhone but they choose not to buy it because it doesn't interest them or they don't like it. |
anonymuser
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Right, so is it a Nokia phone that every manufacturer has been trying to copy and catch up with for the last two years? Is it the Nokia appstore that Android, RIM, Windows Mobile, and Nokia themselves are desperately trying to ape? It's no surprise to see Nokia's growth stagnating at 0.8% year on year in a time when overall smartphone use is growing - and wait, who's leapt up 245% in the same period?
You can try and claim that iPhone users simply buy iPhones as status trinkets, but the problem for Nokia and the rest is that the figures prove those same users actually go on to download apps, and invest in the iphone ecosystem - and every app sale just encourages more and better apps from more developers, and more of those users to stick with Apple for their next phone.
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carkitter
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From: Auckland, NZ
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What he said ^^^
Half of all mobile phone browsing is done on an iPhone. Those S60 devices are being bought as expensive trinkets not the high-powered mobile computers Nokia intended. 
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voda_jon
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i have to side on the iPhone side.... not coz i use one and have done since the 2G version was released but because they have done what no one else has. They released a single phone with features that at the time werent anywhere near their competitors yet still managed to overtake many competitors within a few years. And all whilst still only selling 1 mobile phone product!
No matter how much u hate the iPhone that is something to be amazed by. And then theres the App store! The support iPhone users have given the app store and in return the developers has been immense!!! Can Nokia say the same with their Symbian Software? Only now are Nokia and other manufacturers creating stores like the app store to try and compete. And again only time will tell if they become as sucessful as the App store.
And finally, ask an average Joe iPhone user why he bought the phone and what he/she thinks of it... u get the 'i bought it as it looks good and works, i like it coz it just works and has loads of apps'
Then ask an average Joe Nokia/SE/Samsung user the same... 'i bought it as it had x number of megapixels camera and is {company names} latest phone...'
Two different groups of users with two different groups of use... everyone i speak to in my office get phones as they have loads of megapixels and dont think about apps etc... then i show them the iphone and the apps and they forget about the camera etc... |
anonymuser
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Exactly. I've been a smartphone user for years, I'm very used to using third party software on my phone, but even I've been surprised by the high quality of iPhone apps, how addictive they are and what good value they present. I'm well aware of the possibilities of Symbian, Windows Mobile and the rest, but right now it's the apps that keep me stuck on the iPhone, and will persuade me in time to upgrade to the next model. With all the apps I have on board my iPhone, it's a far more powerful device than anything I've carried around before.
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S4k1s
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Well, I'm happy for you that you like your phones etc. but this thread was not about how good/bad the iPhone or it's competitors are or what people think about it, it was about "market dominance" 
Also I beg you, plz stop with the bloody generalizations of people |
anonymuser
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On 2009-06-05 01:21:32, S4k1s wrote:
Well, I'm happy for you that you like your phones etc. but this thread was not about how good/bad the iPhone or it's competitors are or what people think about it, it was about "market dominance"
Also I beg you, plz stop with the bloody generalizations of people
I've no idea what pedantic point you're trying to make there, but the fact is that Apple are in a dominant position because of the quality of their product and the eco-system (and apps etc) surrounding it - and by dominant I mean growing at a rate which utterly dwarfs the competition, and which is backed by developer support for its OS that far outweighs that of Symbian's or anyone elses.
If Apple aren't dominant in this sector (in your opinion), are you honestly arguing that a company that lost almost 6% of its marketshare is?
Are you expecting Nokia's share to climb in 2009?
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S4k1s
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Stop the bloody nonsense ;]
You compare 2.7% with 49.4%... When you have 50% of a such diverse market it's a bit hard to grow even more, it's pretty logical you will see a drop.
And maybe it looks like I'm trolling now but Seriously, you can't take a common word and say "with this word I mean..."
You are not dominating a market when you see a 245% growth going from 2.7% -> 8.2%
But hey maybe with the next iPhone Apple will really dominate the market -I guess we will know in a few hours ;] |
anonymuser
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On 2009-06-08 16:01:32, S4k1s wrote:
Stop the bloody nonsense ;]
It's not nonsense I'm afraid, merely an interpretation of events with which you are, it seems, extremely uncomfortable...
You compare 2.7% with 49.4%...
And then I compare 8.2% with 43.7% last year, and a growth rate of 245.7% against 0.8%, and I pretty easily see how the former is galloping away with the latter - can't you?
When you have 50% of a such diverse market it's a bit hard to grow even more, it's pretty logical you will see a drop.
A drop of 6% in market share combined with stagnant growth, at a time when the smartphone market as a whole is storming ahead? The only logical assessment to be made there is that the company in question is faltering, failing to press home any advantage, and losing out to more dominant rivals.
And maybe it looks like I'm trolling now but Seriously, you can't take a common word and say "with this word I mean..."
When the word is open to interpretation, yes, of course I can. It's quite obvious that in your mind, Nokia will remain "dominant" right up until their lead is slashed to a fraction of a percentage point and their shareholders are baying for blood, but to me "dominance" implies that you still have some control or influence over your market, and that you can be sure of growth or at least maintaining your advantage. Nokia haven't had that for some time, and the figures you're so fond of only prove that.
You are not dominating a market when you see a 245% growth going from 2.7% -> 8.2%
You are when the long established leader is losing their position at the same time, and everything else (such as developer support) is coming your way too.
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S4k1s
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Oh well, I guess it's like trying to explain colors to a blind person...
From your point of view Windows 7 is dominating the PC OS market...
[I'm done here there isn't much more to say] |
anonymuser
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On 2009-06-08 16:59:19, S4k1s wrote:
From your point of view Windows 7 is dominating the PC OS market...
Interesting choice of analogy - Windows 7 is obviously the future of the PC OS market, after all. I don't expect much of a fight back from Vista, do you?
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