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PeterKay
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rhythmic tones via mouth not musical instruments.....
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MikLSP
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Thanks for the replies PeterKay, I must say I never knew that Islam disallowed listening to music but I also find it a little confusing. Aren't there many musical instruments from Islamic countries?
Would the playing of games with bgm be forbidden as well?
I can see why there may be objection to verses used with music but surely there has to be a certain level of acceptance of the world? As PK says many Muslims do things which are forbidden, I'd be interested to know how much objection to this there is within the rest of the Muslim community?
I agree that nothing should be done to deliberately cause objection or unrest but I don't believe that there was any deliberate offense here and the context of the game is perhaps the least offensive game ever made 
I also read that the person who composed the track was a Muslim himself. Why would he have done this in the first place?
I do have a concern over the reaction to this if I'm honest. As mentioned earlier this isn't the first religious objection to a PS3 game with Resistance FoM being the first. That was an objection to a holy place (Cathedral) being used as a war setting.
I am Catholic and still I disagreed with the objection, the context of the game actually involved you DEFENDING the Cathedral fom the mutant enemies, but the point is that nothing happened beyond an appology.
My concern is that this reaction from Sony is one in fear of being accused of racism (I'm afraid I don't buy into the political correctness gone mad thing).
Surely this game could have been patched on day 1 rather than a worldwide recall? I expect that Muslims would have appreciated the song being removed in this way would they not?
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arien617
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National Anthem of Islamic Republic of Iran... That has instruments, and Iran is an Islamic Republic. A country which until like 5-6 years (?) ago, didn't allow music to be played (that's how much I can remember from my trip back in 2002 I think it was, I was pretty young - I'm 15 now), actually had a national anthem all along!
And what about this chap, he seems to have had his own bloody anthem!
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PeterKay
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Guys
Many Islamic countries have national anthems etc with Music but that does not mean Islam allows it, it is confusing but thats how it is.
Some say the Duff instrument is allowed but nothing more, the best way is to avoid them all (for Muslims that is).
In this day and age where Music is all around you, whether its mobile related, shopping, radios it is difficult to avoid but one must do their utmost best to do avoid it if they follow the Laws of the religion.
The dude who made the track with the verses may have been a Muslim but that could be only by name, he has no idea what he has done.
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MikLSP
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Apparently the composer is from Mali and, according to Wikipedia, "Islam as practiced in Mali is moderate, tolerant, and adapted to local conditions". Perhaps that would explain why he didn't think he was doing anything wrong.
Interestingly though this song has NOT been composed just for the game. The song, entitled Tapha Niang by Toumani Diabate, was actually released in 2006 and is still for sale on Amazon. It's also currently hosted on Diabate's MySpace page.
I wonder why no objection had been made previously and whether the song will now be withdrawn from public sale?
I think all religions need to modernise, some of the beliefs of the Catholic Church are just laughable in todays modern world. They'd all benefit from moving with the times rather than clinging stubbarnly to tradition. It's easily possible to keep tradition but also update.
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PeterKay
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On 2008-10-20 12:41:58, MikLSP wrote:
I think all religions need to modernise, some of the beliefs of the Catholic Church are just laughable in todays modern world. They'd all benefit from moving with the times rather than clinging stubbarnly to tradition. It's easily possible to keep tradition but also update.
It's a good point Mik
But with Islam bringing in change is classed as innovation and not allowed, i personally prefer the way it is, the religion guides me through my 24 hour day and helps in every difficulty or joy! being a firm beleiver in Islam i don't think any changes are needed and that opinion would be shared by many who follow it daily.
Same with the Holy Qur'an, no change in over 1400 years and to prove that you can go in any country or any Muslim household in this world and you will find the same wording with no change.
So personally no change is needed.
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MikLSP
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I can understand that but I think it would be still possible to have the exact same level of faith and guidance and unchanged holy text but with a more modern realisation of the world. Personally I'd see more guidance from something that moved with the changing world rather than opposing it. With Catholicism for example, I like and appreciate many of the foundations and principles it teaches but I don't practice the religion as it is too old fashioned and out of touch in my opinion.
Faith is something which offers a lot to people but I don't think it should restrict their normal lives.
Anyway, before this become a religion topic and gets closed
I'm once again sick of SCEE! Not only was their original LBP release delayed by 3 days after the US release, not only did SCEA immediately announce a re-release date of Oct 27th and SCEE said "later" but now they finally give a date and it's anytime across a whole week from Nov 3rd to Nov 7th! So firstly they take longer to tell us when it'll be back out, then they can't even give a proper date and ultimately there's yet another delay thrown in there as well!
What exactly do these idiots at SCEE do?! Everything they touch is delayed, everything comes later than in America and usually at a higher price. What a set of clowns!
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MWEB
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Blimey, i came in this thread to read about this game but found a most interesting debate about religion, from which i learned a great deal
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Muhammad-Oli
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On 2008-10-20 13:44:04, MikLSP wrote:
...but now they finally give a date and it's anytime across a whole week from Nov 3rd to Nov 7th!
Isn't it within the week beginning on the 3rd? So anytime from the 3rd to 10th?
Either way it's kind of crap, cause our NZ dates follow the UK dates generally but I think because of the delay that shipping makes and the fact they'll probably tell shops to 'sell it when you get it' because of the re-do, this time around we'll probably get it last out of anyone...
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MikLSP
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I suppose it could be anything from mon 3rd to Sun 9th yeah but I was just assuming it'd be a weekday release as games usually are.
The worrying thing is that whenever it finally does release, will they release a ridiculously limited quantity?! Don't be surprised if they do and we still can't get the damn thing.
Mine's pre-ordered from Game and I've not heard any confirmed date from them, presumably because they've no idea when they'll get it.
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Sony apologized on this accidental gesture and announced the released date for North America being October 27th. This is a very good news that this matter has been settled without any violence or riots taking place.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/T[....]ttlebigplanet.delay/index.html
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MikLSP
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Yes SCEA announced the 27th but the incompetant SCEE can't match that and need an extra week or two!
I don't think this is cause for violence! Anyone who created trouble over something like this would be a disgrace to any community. I would like to know though why the song was not objected to in the two years it's been on sale previously?
I think in fairness to Sony they'd have had no idea that there was anything wrong with the song which they simply licensed, they didn't create it specifically for the game themselves.
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PeterKay
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true, no need for violence or any trouble in this matter or any other.
Mik, to be honest i have never heard of this singer or this issue before, and as far as i know many here in the UK won't be aware of him too! Its a good question why this wasn't stopped by the people who do know him!!!
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fatreg
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_music
that goes against your notion of no music in Islam PK?
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PeterKay
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Where does it say in there Islam allows Music??
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Posted: 2008-10-19 19:49
