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plankgatan
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On 2008-08-11 10:29:45, Raiderski wrote:
why should we concern about SE? do they concern about users?
eehh. yeh right !
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Dogmann
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@tai020381
i don't know how you missed it but many of us have been trying to do that with SE for the last 2 years odd. But SE are deaf and dumb and don't engage or listen to their users in the slightest.
SE and SE alone has got itself into this mess with both the contempt they show for their users and their failure to deliver quality products that are bug free. Never mind missing the features we expect for the price, how about a Generation Web smart phone without HSDPA, no increase in screen size on any device, still using underpowered processors and no VGA Video recording. All of these things are found on rivals devices at around the same price point.
Many here where happy to proclaim that the K850 would be the class leading camera phone from SE and that a firmware would make it the best. Look what happened next over 10 months later and users are still waiting for a fix all firmware on a now discontinued model.
All you have to do is read around the Forum for problems and complaints even a simple alarm working on the A2000 platform is a problem. Esato was and is firstly an SE users forum but just look at how many users now have iPhone's, TyTN's , Nokia's , Samsungs etc etc. and that's here a SE strong hold.
Look at SE's last 2Q's figures and 97% drop in profits and where the are in market position that's the clear and undeniable evidence that SE are not making the best handsets or selling them for that matter.
As to the C905 only when it's released will we know for sure how good or bad it is but just believing SE will get it right or firmware will fix it didn't work for the K850 now did it?
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QVGA
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nokia has also made some really shitty phones in the past, just because they didnt suffer financially doesnt let them off the hook. the n76 advfertised a high class fashion phone was nothing more than a shitty phone whose paint peeled off within weeks. the n95 suffered from bad slider and in a nokia forum you'll find disgruntled users regarding that. n71 had design faults that i cant even begin to start mentioning. n80 was a big bulky mess of a phone, it is without a doubt the buggiest n series phone ever with an even worse battery life.
my point is that nokia isnt a bed of roses as you might believe them to be |
Dogmann
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Hi QVGA
I have never claimed Nokia are perfect anywhere nor would i be so stupid as to do so. But when we are talking about SE who cares what any other manufacturer does as quite simple two wrongs don't make a right.
It really doesn't matter what you or any other SE fan boy wants to claim the proof of SE's failings are clear for all to see. The drop in profits and sales says it all as that is the market speaking
Up to 2006 the vast majority of all my devices had been Ericsson and then SE since 2006 i have been unable to purchase any. Why because i am a smart phone user and sine then they have not improved in screen size, processor and graphics and most importantly HSDPA. Two years on from my M600 disaster and SE still don't offer a single smart phone with HSDPA and sorry but that's just pathetic especially when they are labeling their latest as Generation Web yet no HSDPA. Yet they have it in their normal phones, even if i was to buy a non smart phone with all the reports of problems what i would i buy a K850 lemon? or any of the other problematic A2000 phones i don't think so. It appears i am not alone as more and more on this forum seem to be buying other phones rather than SE. I really don't think the W890, X1 and C905 are going to be anywhere near enough to turn SE's fortunes round either. Only time will tell what will happen to SE but they really need to do something and fast the 5 years of good growth has all but evaporated now.
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-08-10 23:56:21, NightBlade wrote:
He even openly underrates the benefits of a xenon flash! As some might say, what an idiot!
You mean this?
Speaking of the i8510's flash, it's a run-of-the-mill LED unit, which is, of course, a bit disappointing, given the camera's otherwise stellar specs. But let's be honest here, even Xenon flash units (like the ones found in the Nokia N82, Motorola ZN5, and some Sony Ericsson branded handsets) can't make a world of difference in terms of image quality. There are several valid reasons for that, and the main one is that the cameras built into mobile phones can't provide decent quality in low light these days, and in this case no flash in the world will mend this glitch. So, as far as the Samsung i8510 goes, the absence of a xenon flash module only means they won't have an extra selling point to brag about in commercials, but that's about it.
You don't think this is correct? Compare the built-in xenon flash on any digicam to what you have on camphones. Will the flash on for example a K850 really fill a whole room like even the most basic budget P&S camera? |
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On 2008-08-11 13:10:03, AbuBasim wrote:
Will the flash on for example a K850 really fill a whole room like even the most basic budget P&S camera?
I know my K810's flash does. And yes, I have tested it numerous times.
Also, normal LED flashes can't "freeze" objects. That's why I'd never buy a phone with a normal LED flash. That feature it too important for me.
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makbil
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On 2008-08-11 00:26:56, bart wrote:
Eldar is a good man, he's just lost some faith in SE...
Who hasn't? We have pretty much had enough words and specs that only stay on paper to be later removed by SE.
Time for empty words is over, if SE wants its loyal followers back they HAVE TO DELIVER.
P990i: A mistake, a curse and a disgrace  So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD |
dr_thug
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I think that mobile phones now have become so sophisticated that a simple mobile phone reviewer can't be a good judge of a camera or an music player,or a 3d game capability of the phone.
When it comes to the camera/picture quality etc,i will trust the review of a camera reviewer over a mobile phone reviewer...and same with music/game. |
adnansanni
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On 2008-08-11 13:44:30, makbil wrote:
On 2008-08-11 00:26:56, bart wrote:
Eldar is a good man, he's just lost some faith in SE...
Who hasn't? We have pretty much had enough words and specs that only stay on paper to be later removed by SE.
Time for empty words is over, if SE wants its loyal followers back they HAVE TO DELIVER.
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If you're so damn disgusted with SE then why you're all still here?? |
Pitzon
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I totally agree with Abubasim regarding the flash
K810i light up a room? That must be some strange special edition K810i who atleast i never have tried or a really small room.  I have owned around 4 of them during the days and it really is an amazing phone, dont get me wrong here but the flash is a total joke compared to a "real" digicam.
Even the N82, K850i,6220c sucks at this compared to a cheap real cam and people most often look like ghosts or zombies on the photos.. Although much better than K810i.
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toboyone
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I can't agree more with what eldar has said nowadays regarding SE phones.. the innovation and leading technology that it has is now totally gone..
i still remember those days when k500/k700 series made kick ass history for their 3d games when nokia and e rest are still stuck with their blocky shit.. and their white balance was leading.. and for those who know the s700i who kicked every manufacturer in the butt with a CCD sensor and spot metering on a fone..
den came the k750 who led the chase for better AF and LED flash.
the niche was den followed on by the k800/k810 with their slightly bigger sensor module, and rock stable a100 platform..
and den what happened? roll out shit fones like k850i and other a200 that are merely repeats of what they have done in e past.. add some feature, leave some out, change a new cover and market it as a new phone.. seriously they can do better than that? the k850i is the worse and most unstable SE phone i've ever used.. i used to laugh at how samsung and LG phones have restarts so often and owners having to frequent service centres, and now I HAVE TO DO IT. all thanks to SE.
and the c905, i don't have much hopes.. it seems like another case of ramping up the pixels by dividing the same sensor into smaller areas, that's really not going to help make it a cybershot..
now i can see why there are rumours of sony and ericsson parting since the SE partnership is ruining sony's niche products..
and to those who wish to flame me, i own all the fones i listed above. i'm now stuck on a k850i, and i think it might probably be my last SE. sorry, i used to be a fanboy, but i'm seriously sick of the way they do marketing and cheat their once loyal fanbase. shame on you SE. |
AbuBasim
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On 2008-08-11 13:27:39, NightBlade wrote:
I know my K810's flash does. And yes, I have tested it numerous times.
I bet those shots are of digicam quality 
Also, normal LED flashes can't "freeze" objects. That's why I'd never buy a phone with a normal LED flash. That feature it too important for me.
On the other hand a xenon flash is instantaneous so it can't be used to light up a scene for a longer time the way a LED flash can, like when using the LED flash in night mode on my K770i.
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bahraini
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i think wat guys are talking about now is really off-topic
cuz they strated again talking about SE mess, and eldar is saying the truth..
ok,
but plz read the firs thread, the main one
i was talking about how eldar is missleading the ppl by using old prototype device, and compared with finished device.
and he say that again SE messed up..
and ppl as i can see, SOME ppl agreed on wat he said, and forgot that there r many newer hardware and software than wat eldar has..
so , we dont wanna talk how SE is not listening, or the marketing or anything else..
all wat i say, even when SE is doing something good, some reviews
and some ppl still wanna kill wat they r doing, and ruin the image of SE, even if they dont mean too, but this wat happened with Eldar, many ppl believe in wat he says blindly. so imagine wat they will think when they read that review??
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moshimaru
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On 2008-08-11 07:42:24, c96sthl wrote:
I notice in russian...it already got review for w980 but seem like Eldar not yet convert it to english.
looking forward to know whether he hates the phone.
of course nothing to shout on the non AF camera but I hope the audio part of it is good.
http://translate.google.com/t[....]html&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=ru&tl=en
google translated  ...(still reading the article) |
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Posted: 2008-08-11 11:41
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
