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AbuBasim
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On 2008-04-01 22:34:35, liukaitc wrote:
Lensas F2218 (8 MP)
This is wrong. This phone is made from china ( or you can say taiwan).I am sure know it better than you guys.
It is also a Interpolated 8 MP CCD phones. The active pixel is 6.1MP. Use Panasonic CCD sensor (the samples you can search on the internet were took with maxiuam 8 mp, i am sure if took with active 6.1mp there will be less noise)
Actually, this phone's camera is good. The company has 22 years experience in the optical field, and had been manufacturing camera lens for Japan,Korea company for many years. Now they just enter cellphone filed, making their own product.
Sounds like a good camera phone. Shame that it's not available anywhere for ordering.
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liukaitc
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On 2008-04-02 13:40:08, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2008-04-01 22:34:35, liukaitc wrote:
Lensas F2218 (8 MP)
This is wrong. This phone is made from china ( or you can say taiwan).I am sure know it better than you guys.
It is also a Interpolated 8 MP CCD phones. The active pixel is 6.1MP. Use Panasonic CCD sensor (the samples you can search on the internet were took with maxiuam 8 mp, i am sure if took with active 6.1mp there will be less noise)
Actually, this phone's camera is good. The company has 22 years experience in the optical field, and had been manufacturing camera lens for Japan,Korea company for many years. Now they just enter cellphone filed, making their own product.
Sounds like a good camera phone. Shame that it's not available anywhere for ordering.
No idea! even it's a tri-band GSM phone, i think only sold in China.
and because it's a new brand cellphone, even in china people hardly know it. Also people in china are big fans of japanese and korean phone, they don't feel nice of chinese cellphone. Therefore, China phone can not be famous worldwide.
Actually, trace back to 2005. China's famous cellphone company Lenovo had announced cellphone v920. v920 has 4 MP camera which use Fujifilm's famous Super CCD sensor. I think this is the best china camera phone for the past two years. But due to many factors, this phone still was not successful. Since v920 is a Dual-band phone, so people outside of china rarely would know this phone.
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AbuBasim
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Adding a new one to this list:
Sharp's SH-01A 8 megapixel flip packs a 28-mm wide angle lens and Dolby Pro Logic II
Sure, the US has fancy-pants capacitive touchscreen phones out the wazoo, but Japan's superphones still dominate when boiled down to a base, spec-for-spec comparison. Take this new Sharp SH-01A clamshell for example, just revealed by the FCC. It sports a 28mm wide-angle lens with 8 megapixel CCD sensor and, according to rumor, Dolby Pro Logic II surround sound for your microSD stored media. Remember, FCC testing doesn't mean it'll be sold between the left and right coasts -- this flip is likely just being certified for US roaming whenever it's finally announced for NTT DoCoMo in Japan.
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Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson? 
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indup
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On 2008-10-15 18:06:35, AbuBasim wrote:
Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson?
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AbuBasim
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According to one of the documents in the FCC filing, the Sharp SH-01A is a Symbian phone.
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On 2008-10-15 21:37:33, indup wrote:
On 2008-10-15 18:06:35, AbuBasim wrote:
Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson?
nearly fell off my chair.
Kokura maybe? 12mp in CMOS is impossible 
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AbuBasim
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On 2008-10-18 08:54:32, razec wrote:
On 2008-10-15 21:37:33, indup wrote:
On 2008-10-15 18:06:35, AbuBasim wrote:
Why don't we see similar stuff from Sony Ericsson?
nearly fell off my chair.
Kokura maybe? 12mp in CMOS is impossible
I don't think it's impossible. Look how noisy photos are from 2 MP CMOS sensors. After looking at those, would you have thought that 8 MP sensors would be in camera phones? They seem to handle the noise quite well, at least in the INNOV8. The C905 is also quite good but with slightly more noise reduction plus that it loses out on other important features (at least for me) such as VGA video recording at 30 fps.
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Having an all-in-one gadget seems to still be out of  's agenda right now  |
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Anyone know if there will ever be a phone with a sony ss2? (min lux=0.001  )
Well not every secruity camera with a sony ss2 has 0.001 lux but one in my catalouge does (and only for half the price of a c905)
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Guys - who does it in all numbered, can work in the european networks ? /with exception of Imobile 902 that i have got /?
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Nil Einne
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On 2008-04-02 21:08:21, liukaitc wrote:
On 2008-04-02 13:40:08, AbuBasim wrote:
Sounds like a good camera phone. Shame that it's not available anywhere for ordering.
No idea! even it's a tri-band GSM phone, i think only sold in China.
and because it's a new brand cellphone, even in china people hardly know it. Also people in china are big fans of japanese and korean phone, they don't feel nice of chinese cellphone. Therefore, China phone can not be famous worldwide.
Actually, trace back to 2005. China's famous cellphone company Lenovo had announced cellphone v920. v920 has 4 MP camera which use Fujifilm's famous Super CCD sensor. I think this is the best china camera phone for the past two years. But due to many factors, this phone still was not successful. Since v920 is a Dual-band phone, so people outside of china rarely would know this phone.
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Actually the phone is avaible from a few places I've come across. E.g. http://www.fastcardtech.com/g[....]MERA+SUPER+SHINING+PHONE.html. They also have another phone with a supposed 5.1MP camera (being a Chinese phone, who know's what's the real sensor size, it does appear to at least be able to save 5.1MP images) http://www.fastcardtech.com/g[....]s+F320+SUPER+MOBILE+PHONE.html although no idea if it's CCD. I've no experience with FastCardTech so can't guarantee they won't disappear with your money of course. There are some concerning reports, e.g. http://www.justanswer.com/que[....]2-paypal-trying-pay-money-even http://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.fastcardtech.com but some are not so bad http://www.thewholesaleforums[....]6-factorymobilephones-com.html http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729174942AAhfgfI http://dropshipforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=8781, it's possible some of the reports just involved people who didn't wait long enough etc. They do accept PayPal so I believe in some countries (e.g. US) you can file a dispute and get your money back if it's not received and since they seem to have been around for a while, I would presume if they are a complete scam PayPal would have killed their account by now.
Also FastCardTech are known for selling fake items http://www.mysciphone.com/Eng[....]Forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2898 so there's no guarantee that's really a Lensas F2218 as opposed to something that looks like it with goodnessknows what inside.
In any case, I have to say I don't find the Lensas F2218 that impressive. Looking at the only photos I can find from some Chinese review http://mobile.pconline.com.cn/review/0711/1165195_4.html they don't look that sharp, even if you reduce the resolution to something close to the true 6MP sensor resolution and seem a bit washed out and with poor colour and saturation to me (although I'm hardly an expert on digital photography) particularly compared to the I-mobile 902. The same with the FE230 with it's Scny lens. http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/news/index.html?news_id=7180 (there are actually two hidden photos which I guess the reviewers forgot to link to http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/7180/a05_original.jpg and http://img.eprice.com.tw/img/news/7180/a06_original.jpg ). While I don't speak Chinese, the impression I got from a machine translation is that the reviewers weren't too impressed with the cameras either.
Sadly IMHO from what I've seen the Chinese branded manufacturers don't seem have achieved anything close to Samart/i-mobile yet even tho they produce fine stand alone digital cameras (I presume) and should easily be capable of it. The lack of interest in the F2218 and I guess v920 perhaps didn't help, although the poor quality in the former case surely contributes to that (the i-mobile 902 seems to have received quite a lot of attention particularly in South East Asia). Then again the Chinese mobile phone market often seems way to gimmicky and kitchen-sinky to me as well as so full of bullshit (6800 mah batteries, non-existant optical zoom) that I guess it's hard for true quality to compete, particularly when most people are still going to trust the Koreans and Japanese over you and protecting your brand is rather difficult. Of course even Samart don't seem to be going anywhere further, the i-mobile 902 is 3 years old and if I'm not mistaken is out of production and they don't seem to have launched any real replacement so perhaps even that wasn't as successful as it seemed from all the noise (although IMHO it at least helped them raise their profile significantly outside Thailand). Indeed the smart thing IMHO for Samart to do would have been to not worry about the camera too much, but work on the rest of the phone. If they produced a decent phone with their current camera it would still be quite competitive IMHO.
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Just come across one of these on ebay, I bet they are crap aren't they?
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Nil Einne
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Actually I just came across that myself and meant to mention it. There's been some brief discussion in another thread. http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=172239&start=0
There are a bunch of samples of photos from both the C700 and the sister C800 (with a supposed 8MP and more sensitive CCD) in these reviews http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=1441 http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=1506 . I'm not quite sure what RingHK is, I presume it's a HK review site. It looks like those were pre-release versions so it's possible the actual released versions are crappier then what's show on the site.
However, I have to say (bearing in mind I have little experience in this matter) the photos seem good so presuming these photos are a fair representation of what the phone is capable of it seems to me to actually be a fairly decent camera in a phone from China for once considering the price (eBay not RingHK) and comparisons to branded phones. Not awe inspiring but not bad. The big flaw (of I have no idea whether their specs are even close to accurate) is according to some sources, the C700 has 2 memory card slots (not unheard of in Chinese phones) but you can't access both of these from the phone. The camera portion has access to one and the phone portion to the other. You can only change them by switching the cards around. If this is correct it's a rather bad flaw hence why I called it a camera in a phone rather then a camera phone. From a machine translation of the C800 review this flaw is supposed to have been corrected.
Even tho these phones are out of my price range, I'm somewhat please to find them as they appear to be an example of what I'm looking for, a Chinese manufacturer actually trying to make a decent camera phone rather then just adding everything possible for the price, giving it a wacky name and then coming up with bullshit specs.
BTW, there is also a K-touch C500 and C350 and A168 albeit these don't have CCD sensors and don't seem to be available on eBay 
Found another review http://www.dcfever.com/news/readnews.php?id=2318
Seems to be a DC site so perhaps a better review for the DC features including a resolution test comparing it to a S80. While the S80 clearly comes out on top (click ori for the original images, not on the image) it's not that bad considering
Also this is the K-touch website http://www.k-touch.cn I think. And looking at the site, it seems they have a few other CCD camera phones, although the differences isn't that clear to me. If you understand Chinese perhaps you'll be able to work it out better. There's even a supposed 10.3 MP CCD phone
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