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Erotomaniac
Joined: Sep 27, 2005
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Is it really that hard to understand why people like torches in their fones?
One of my most missed feature on my k750i is the torch (or do you prefer we call it LED coz the tiny thing doesn't live up to your "torch"?). Why you asked? Because during the time I had that fone, I really got to use the LED light a lot. When looking for things under the bed or drawer, brown-outs, walking thru a dark road (which I do a lot coz i often go to work around 4am).
There are always two things I have with me and thats my fone and wallet. I find it inconvenient to add have torch to that package.  Besides, a real torch is not fashionable everyday accessory. haha!
sorry for the off-topic.
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5nak3
Joined: Oct 22, 2007
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@ Marc
Well i dont know much about cars, more of a bike person myself in any case i believe it is the M5 that i am refering to. I dont know the details of how to set it up and what not, although i agree that it doesn't require you to take tools out and all you have to do is press a few buttons, i still find it hard to believe someone would buy a car for its power and then drive around at a watered down power output...
I just cant understand the logic behind it, sure you've got such switches on recent bikes, GSX-R's spring to mind with their BHP button switching between different levels, but still i find that pointless, if you cant handle the huge amounts of horsepower dont buy that car/bike, as for you dont need 500BHP around town / on the motorway, you could logically argue the point down to the fact a 1000cc daihatsu with around 50-70BHP is more then enough round town and even on the motorways doing the speed limit (even though it may struggle), so to say that even a limited M5 which still produces around 350-400bhp is better suited to town then the 500bhp full power version is hardly a valid argument. Sure it may be easier and have a softer ride or whatever, fact is you still have 350bhp of which you are using 40 for instance.
In relation to the phones, i agree completely with you on the fact that phones are marketed as one thing or another. But i still find it hard to believe that you can claim the torch function to be useless. I have a keyring torch Led thing (dont even know the brand, name, model..or its current whereabouts), but chances of me forgetting that at home are much higher compared to me forgetting my phone.
For instance on a ride one night, my bike suffers a flat, i pull up unaware at the time what it was, search for my torch i had forgotten it. My phone doesn't have the torch function but damn i would have killed for it then.
Another time, a mate trashed his bike, he came off ok i guess about 20 stitches in total but nothing too serious, in any case we go to collect his bike, it was in a ditch, luckily we had a torch and we made sure the tank hadn't leaked, because the initial idea was to see if the bike was working...which could have ended rather badly.
Now in the second example we planned for the need for a torch therefore we took one with us. In the first example i didn;t plan for a flat, and i was gutted that a function people take for granted and question could have eaily proven very useful.
It comes down to what people expect at the end of the day. My phone plays mp3 and i can use it as a music player i dont expect to do so however due to the fact i have a dedicated device for that, although there are times when i want to listen to music and the player is not ideal e.g. when shaving...
Same with the torch, you may have a dedicated device, but end of the day if you forget it and you need a light i like to think i've at least got some sort of a safety net with a phone that has that function, even if it is not very good.
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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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@5nak3
OK I'll try to talk to you in terms you understand, take the Top of the Range Duccati who in their right mind would want to rude that round the West End of London in rush hour. But take that Bike out on Sunny Day on some nice B Roads and that that's what's it's made for.
The whole point of the M5 is simply it is a tweaked Saloon car most of the time you can drive it as such no different to the best normal version. But go to a track day or those same B roads as the bike and you can unleash the beast. It is Porsche fast maybe not bike fast but then very few car's are.
I used to believe in the Holy Grail of converged devices and in 22 years of Mobile devices have yet to find one, they all have their limitations and really single devices are normally if not always better.
I would advise you to get a Surefire as it would be a really useful thing for dark Bike repairs a lot better than a phone ever could be.
@Erotomaniac
Well the last thing i would want to be doing at 4am whilst waking in dark area's is waving or holding my illuminated phone for all to see, you might as well shout MUG ME!!! while your at it.
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5nak3
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I used to believe in the Holy Grail of converged devices and in 22 years of Mobile devices have yet to find one, they all have their limitations and really single devices are normally if not always better.
I would advise you to get a Surefire as it would be a really useful thing for dark Bike repairs a lot better than a phone ever could be.
I never said that the phone will ever be better than individual dedicated devices, although as was mentioned wallet and phone are the two givens i have anywhere with me. Now after that the rest is when i remember, if i remember and if i intend to use it.
While i agree 100% that the surefire, or in fact any high powered led torch is much better than a phone will ever be, i still think the reason people want a torch (bringing us back to the original question) is because they have seen the use of such a function, they see it as such a basic feature it should to an extent be a given in any phone look at the cheap nokia for insance, the 1120, dont know my nokia model numbers, but one of them had a torch built in, and this is a £20 phone we are talking about.
Also to be honest with you, i cant see myself using the torch on the phone a lot, but as i said it is just a safety net, and to tell the truth since the companies are putting the led flash onto their phones then that should automatically also be available for torch use regardless of it will be used or not.
And again i agree that the holy grail of convergence is not something we will see any time soon if at all, all the companies are trying to portray that regardless of how you argue it, all companies what to sell their device which will replace all your other devices, so why not the torch as well?
As for the bike/car i dont understand why people have the superbikes around town, but they do, i find it funny sitting all hunched up, going around town, while you have the little vespas filtering in and out with ease.
The whole point of the M5 is simply it is a tweaked Saloon car most of the time you can drive it as such no different to the best normal version. But go to a track day or those same B roads as the bike and you can unleash the beast. It is Porsche fast maybe not bike fast but then very few car's are.
Now i dont know enough about the m5 / BMW, but i'm sure BMW are not selling that under the guise of a tweaked saloon, surely they are selling that based on the power it produces, two quotes from BMW's website:
"the complete performance curve"
"boundless acceleration"
So i think you could say they are selling that as ducati sell their big bikes, for speed, performance...cos i cant think of the last time i heard a ford saloon being advertised like that (extreme example i know  )
And as i said riding an expensive ducati around town is not ideal, let alone comfortable, but you can ride it as any normal version of a bike. "But go to a track day or those same B roads and you can unleash the beast"
All i'm saying is give a customer 100bhp and then say you can only use this on a motorway as it is not ideal in town or give them 500bhp and say only use this on track cos town is not good is silly.
As a customer i buy a bike or car based on a number of things, power output may figure sometimes, other times it may not. But when i buy it i dont want the company regardless of who they are to tell me to use the full power i need to mess around with the on board computer, unless there is a legal reason i.e. a young rider wanting a big bike but cant exceed a certain power output hence they restrict the output of the bike, but other then that there is no reason for such restrictions.
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islandprd
Joined: Nov 29, 2007
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On 2007-12-12 00:23:10, SIGHUP wrote:
No smilies, trackID, no torchlight, no videoDJ
Oh man, what have i done??
 Exactly what I felt
However, I learned to bite the bullet and to lower my expectation though 
On 2007-12-12 00:28:10, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all
Could some one please explain to my why you need a torch from a phone? I'm not playing dumb here but i see it constantly mentioned and i just don't get it.
Marc, like what people here have already mentioned, I too often brings only two things with me, a wallet and a phone. Though I have many dedicated torches, I don’t bring them everywhere.
Torch in a phone is really nifty to have. Not necessary you need it often but it is there when you need one.
For example when you step into something dark, be it in the cinema, underground car-park, under car bonnet, bag, or any place that need some light assistance. Or perhaps at the emergency situation like caught in a blackout in foreign countries (real experience). At such situation normally people do not have the time to search for a dedicated torch but rather lights up whatever you have in the hand (phone).
It is indispensable part of my lifestyle. I can use a java program that lights up the white screen on my N95 but the usefulness (neither too bright nor too dim) cannot beat the dual led in K750. IMHO
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SIGHUP
Joined: Jul 27, 2005
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I should rename this thread the torch(LED)-debate-thread!
This is one of the main reasons why I loved my W850i and K750i. The less stuff I have to carry with me the better. In my case I use the LED light ALL THE TIME.
Basically for me it comes to less items as possible. Wallet, phone, keys. That's all I need.
My phone is ALWAYS by my side, it might as well be integrated into a part of my body. Wake up in the middle of the night, don't wanna wake up my lady or whatever, pick up phone. Bam-LED light.
Movie theater, drop something under the seat. Bam-LED light.
The torch just fits my needs, why carry two items when I can carry one. OF course this is ignoring the fact that a stand alone most always does better than a multi device (a real flashlight vs a led light). But compact as possible is my deal.
As hefty as the N95 is I shouldn't even mention compact eh?
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mib1800
Joined: Mar 18, 2004
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sighup
There is a the freeware "Torch" which activates the N95 LED (in strobe). There is another which makes use of the LCD (i.e. it turns the screen on to highest brightness and make the entire screen white.
@islandprd:
Just give it a break with your moaning and whining. You make it sounds like using LED torch is a make or break functionality. Are you forgetting the GPS, VGA video rec and all other goodies that N95 is bringing you.
If you are so unhappy why force yourself to keep the N95. Just sell it and get your long-desired K850 which surpassed the N95 in every aspects that you can imagined ....except the reality.
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islandprd
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On 2007-12-12 08:54:43, mib1800 wrote:
Just give it a break with your moaning and whining. You make it sounds like using LED torch is a make or break functionality. Are you forgetting the GPS, VGA video rec and all other goodies that N95 is bringing you.
If you are so unhappy why force yourself to keep the N95. Just sell it and get your long-desired K850 which surpassed the N95 in every aspects that you can imagined ....except the reality.
What's your problem mib1800?  You make it as if N95 is the only thing you care to know and the whole world must revolves around it So much for a broad-mind
FYI, I was responding to Marc to give him my story why I like a torch in a phone. He asked, I answered. What's wrong with that?
I and Sighup or maybe some other people share similar liking/preferences. Perhaps we share some of our experiences. What's wrong with that? Explain that
FYI, whatever I want to do with my N95 is none of your business. And tell you what, even if I were to buy 10 or 100 pieces K850 for nothing tommorow (which I dont even like), it is my money and not yours. I dont need you to tell me what to do with it. Just incase you miss this point. Get that?
And you have no right to tell people what to like and what's not! Correct?
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SIGHUP
Joined: Jul 27, 2005
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Erotomaniac
Joined: Sep 27, 2005
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From: Novaliches
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Lol, never thought the topic totally moved in the torch direction.
You have dogmann to blame for asking the weird question. har har!
@dogmann, at 4am, most muggers/pickpockets are probably already asleep (after a long night's work hahaha) or still prepping in time for the rush hour (6am). heehee
Enjoy your torches and n95s peeps.
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mib1800
Joined: Mar 18, 2004
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On 2007-12-12 10:01:51, islandprd wrote:
What's your problem mib1800? You make it as if N95 is the only thing you care to know and the whole world must revolves around it So much for a broad-mind
FYI, I was responding to Marc to give him my story why I like a torch in a phone. He asked, I answered. What's wrong with that?
I and Sighup or maybe some other people share similar liking/preferences. Perhaps we share some of our experiences. What's wrong with that? Explain that
FYI, whatever I want to do with my N95 is none of your business. And tell you what, even if I were to buy 10 or 100 pieces K850 for nothing tommorow (which I dont even like), it is my money and not yours. I dont need you to tell me what to do with it. Just incase you miss this point. Get that?
And you have no right to tell people what to like and what's not! Correct?
[ This Message was edited by: islandprd on 2007-12-12 09:56 ]
Yes. You are right. I am being too harsh on you. I am sorry for that. Just that you seems to having a lot of problems with N95-8G since you got it.
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islandprd
Joined: Nov 29, 2007
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@Erotomaniac
@Sighup
I was searching for a torch for N95 for quite sometime now. If not mistaken spot on is not compatible yet due to the diff cam driver. No succesfull torch prog for N95 yet
Temporarily you can use the java called "light", made for k800 to use in N95 (using the backlight not the led). Download at http://torchk800.matlista.se/
@mib1800
Apology accepted. No hard feeling. I know you are actually a nice guy and quite helpful. Just dont get carried away too far, seriously
I am still learning to make my N95-8 suit me better. Problems and glitches are expected. I dont mind to tell anyone that I am no expert on it and no where I'm implying that I know everything about it.
Perhaps if you dont mind I would like to ask you few more questions in the future about N95 as you seems to be quite a resourceful guy. Perhaps you know a smilies (for texting) freeware for N95? Thanks
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mib1800
Joined: Mar 18, 2004
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@islandprd
there are some smilies sms app. But the receipient can only see them if they have the same app. see your pm on where to find them
@sighup
there is also Best Torch. It allows you to specify a shortcut key e.g long press the "C" key to activate the torch without need to unlock keypad.
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