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maggflodd
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From: <500
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On 2007-05-18 11:09:27, batesie wrote:
this thread is more about a middle man for transactions...
but your idea is good, but i wouldnt think theres many people willing to lend a complete stranger a working phone for an unknown amount of time...
yeah, probably not, but still... I know cases who'd appreciate even just an old 1600 or similar... and members who are willing to "donate" so to speak could get some sort of "credit"...trader-points...
I know, it's not what the thread is about, just brought it up because of the similar administrative problems and trust issues! 
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batesie
Joined: Feb 13, 2004
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well i guess we should wait for some more users too feedback ideas on this, and it would be good to get laffen to state the rules once decided...
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masseur
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Esato does not take any responsibility for any trades done here. It merely facilitates trading by providing market forums for members to advertise in.
As trading is wholly a member based activity its totally up to us, the members, to make the rules as we see fit
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batesie
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On 2007-05-18 11:24:44, masseur wrote:
Esato does not take any responsibility for any trades done here. It merely facilitates trading by providing market forums for members to advertise in.
As trading is wholly a member based activity its totally up to us, the members, to make the rules as we see fit
fair dinkum 
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>500
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id be willing to help from here in Australia, though shipping costs could be costly 
seriously though, something needs to be organised..... i know masseur will of course be will suited, he has helped me on more than 1 occasion
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leeboy13
Joined: Sep 28, 2005
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this really is a great idea and having afew in different locations would certainly help cut costs and cut delays
this is a real positive move in the right direction IMHO for esato
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scottt
Joined: Aug 22, 2005
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From: North Yorkshire
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I can help out too
I think i have over 10 feedbacks not sure
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MWEB
Joined: Feb 13, 2005
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From: somewhere nicer than you
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Basically sound idea, But it does require strong co-ordination and a large degree of responsibility on the part of "asset-holders".
Operating on a regional basis is very sensible, Time was when posting of any item was purely based on relative feedback, those with little or no feedback were obliged to post first.
Trust is in short supply these days, and it is sad but perhaps inevitable that such a scheme as is proposed may have to be implemented.
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MikLSP
Joined: Sep 21, 2003
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From: se-nse.com
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This is something I had thought about doing a long time ago and even proposed it as a paid "premium" feature for se-nse just over a year ago HERE
In reality there are many problems with a middle man taking care of the goods. The biggest of which is the opportunity it gives for someone to send a faulty phone to the middle man and then claim they damaged it. Of course you could test every device but I'd prefer to leave them untouched/unopened.
Also it would double the postage costs.
To avoid these problems I would suggest the idea is probably only viable if the middle man handles only the cash.
The buyer would send the payment to the trusted person who then informs the seller.
The seller then sends the item directly to the buyer as he knows payment is secure.
Once the item has been received by the buyer the payment will be forwarded to the seller.
Of course certain conditions would need to be enforced such as methods of payment and strictly recorded deliveries only.
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Sammy_boy
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Sounds like an excellent idea, I'd be willing to act as the middleman from time to time!
Something does need to be done as there does seem to be quite a few scammers that pop up (or the same few that keep re-registering).
How would it work if it was a buyer with no feedback - would they send the payment to a middleman? I think for buying either bank transfers, cash, postal orders or confirmed paypal accounts would be the only acceptable methods.
Edit: Trackable posting has to be a must too, recorded del a minimum.
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Nanu
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That way it keeps postage cost's down to one way!
Either way something needs to be done, as for a fee that too is a very reasonable request, as I wouldn't have minded paying an extra £5-£10 if it meant I would have either a phone or my money back at the end of the transaction!
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goldenface
Joined: Dec 17, 2003
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On 2007-05-18 18:59:13, MikLSP wrote:
In reality there are many problems with a middle man taking care of the goods. The biggest of which is the opportunity it gives for someone to send a faulty phone to the middle man and then claim they damaged it.
Mik
Yes, that would be easily solved if the seller ensured that the phone was addressed and ready prepared for the middleman to post. This way there would be no reason for the middleman to handle the phone - only the parcel.
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masseur
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...which would then raise the question of how the middle man can confirm that what is in the parcel matched what had been advertised so that the funds can be released? otherwise the seller could be sending any old value-less thing to the buyer, and I think the middle man should be taking care of both parties needs otherwise whats the point?
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goldenface
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Thats certainly true!
So the middle-man should test the phone to see if it works as advertised?
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masseur
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sorry, I was just editing my post as you replied again.
basically I added "I think the middle man should be taking care of both parties needs otherwise whats the point?"
The whole point is to ensure the transaction works for the seller and buyer and as for concerns over whether the middle man damaged the phone... again... isn't the point of all this that only trusted people would be the middle man and someone agreed by both sides, and therefore beyond doubt?
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Posted: 2007-05-18 11:17
my 32GB iPhone 3GS 
