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jack00
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do you know that this symbole means luck in some places over the world ?
or that coca cola used this symbol around 1928 to advertise its products ? |
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BobaFett
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some more swastika
http://images.google.hu/image[....]&btnG=K%C3%A9pek+Keres%C3%A9se
the swastika raises usually more attention and "anger, hate", like the red star, which is the symbol of communism, which system wasnt any better like the third reich and red star is even on heineken. systems loves to use icons, but if a system isnt really welcome in history, the icons is letaly wrong interpretated...
ps: history is always written by the winners...
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amnesia
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yes so lets think of the nice side and not the bad side 
When I see swastika, I think Luck now
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scottyd
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like all people if you have direct links with something your always going to oppose such things.
in these countries where it is a traditional symbol i tihnk its fine.
but being jewish stuff like this in the uk wud upset me, knowing my own family were killed etc and it just fuels srereotypes, which arnt true.
but good to see everyone heres very respectful and intelligent. |
amnesia
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why would it upset you. England didn't have anything to do with Germany...
I mean, you are saying that people can't have swastikas just because you're Jewish? EVEN if they don't mean it in the Hitler sense?
I mean, it's not anybody's place to decide who and who can't use a symbol.... If I perceived the cross to be a bad symbol, could I ask people to stop using it?
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goldenface
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This is purely culture based.
In the UK a swastika has far right-wing connotations. It was used in by the Nazi party and unfortunately it will, for a long time, be associated with them so for people in Europe at least it has bad connections.
Hitler didn't just murder Jews, he also extermintated, blacks, gays, asians and anyone who didn't fit in with is idea of his Aryan race. Intolerance, racism, are just a few words one can link to the symbol.
It would be quite normal in the UK for any use of the swastika to be viewed in bad taste.
However, I can perfectly understand that in the far-east / eastern culture it might have a different meaning.
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jack00
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in austria its compleltly forbiten and also gets punished with jail, if you ware or what ever, somewhere such a logo (even if its not the way, the nazis draw it) - because people connect swasticas with nazis
its only allowed if you can prove that you only use it for scientifitc reasons
i really love this picture
it really shows that swasticas have their origin in positiv way
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dcbastable
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@goldenface
You nailed the argument, i 100% totally agree.
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goldenface
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@Jack00
Yes, I like that picture too, it shows the original meaning of the symbol before it was 'hijacked'. Good stuff!
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Supa_Fly
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On 2006-09-20 11:04:33, amnesia wrote:
lol you can't get sued for that. It's just a wallpaper.
Isn't that freedom of expression or something the US calls?
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Yes this is true ... however its unsaid yet understood "Freedom of speech, just watch what you say" - like ICE T said.
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amnesia
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Yes I believe in Freedom of speech just watch what you say.
However the US doesn't...
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scottyd
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On 2006-09-20 22:32:44, amnesia wrote:
why would it upset you. England didn't have anything to do with Germany...
I mean, you are saying that people can't have swastikas just because you're Jewish? EVEN if they don't mean it in the Hitler sense?
I mean, it's not anybody's place to decide who and who can't use a symbol.... If I perceived the cross to be a bad symbol, could I ask people to stop using it?
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wyou got to look at things from my point of view if you had family killed by such a ting your gonna have a bias view against it.
and whilst you can argue the orgional form of it is ok to use, you can just as efectively argue the oposite way, which in my oppinion is that it is something with a stigma that should be avoided in the uk, it would do more harm to allow its wide use than preventing it would do. |
goldenface
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I must say I agree with Scottyd. Its a symbol that has a lot of stigma attached to it and it would be hard to reclaim the symbol, as far as Europe is concerned anyway. Even the word 'Hitler' is an ugly word to most people.
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whizkidd
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The swastika is a sign for good luck , fortune and well being in India (For Hindus). Swastika is infact a Sanskrit word...
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aragorn666
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swastika is one of the oldest symbols of humans
it was used by mohanjedaro civilisation
used by hindus buddhists...
its actual meaning is MANGAL meaning GOOD TO ALL
but the ****** nazis destroyed its meaning
its a sacred symbol in INDIA
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