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tourist
Joined: Jul 23, 2005
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You think you've got the right to change in-theme credit fields just because you host/protect the file? Uh, yea.. right. Whatever. What if the uploader is not the creator of a file but uploads it anyway? Credit fields get changed without the authors consent or knowledge. And frankly, I think this thread is a little spammy.
I don't like it
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jw
Joined: May 27, 2006
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Sigh. You're still not getting the point. Why are you hiding behind another username?
The creator's name is not changed in the theme at all, regardless of who uploads it.
If person A uploads a theme that person B created, the theme credit will still show that person B created it. Why is that so hard to understand?
Also the thread is hardly spamming, MTP (Mobile Themes Protection) is a service designed to benefit theme creators. If nobody talked about it, how would others know about it and benefit from it?
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Elton
Joined: May 25, 2006
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I may well be new to this forum, but im no newbie.
Theme leeching, image ripping, mass uploading of non self-created themes to multiple theme hosting sites without author permission, seems to be a pretty big problem, take a look at any respected and/or popular (but not always both) theme sites, and you will find multiple threads, with multiple complaints from theme authors about these very issues.
While this protection can not tackle all of these problems combined, it does go a long way into making it a great deal more difficult for these people to carry on doing it. And this is the whole point, no one is trying to rule the world here, MTP is a service that gives much better protection than the SE drm packager, is an optional built in feature, that places a link to the originating web sites url, and more importantly, the original authors complete collection of themes!
The author details box, with url bar was added to the theme creator v1.80 on, for this very reason!!!
Or should we just put our shoe size in there???
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ukk4d
Joined: May 29, 2006
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What are the advantages of the "SE DRM" program mentioned earlier, compared to this tool? Or, conversely, what are the disadvantages?
Also I don't see the problem between you guys about the tag in the theme creator, after all the author's name stays there (I checked), plus the whole idea is to stop people using theme creator to open the file anyway so it shouldn't matter...
Personally I don't think you should be arguing about this, I know lots of people who have been wanting this facility for a long time... don't spoil the community spirit! The mobile themes guys are only trying to help the themers out there. People were arguing on lots of other forums I visit complaining about theme leeching... now someone has done something about it, you are still arguing!
I've been lurking around here for a while, but I felt I had to sign up to post my 2 cents on this subject.
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Elton
Joined: May 25, 2006
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Thanks for your support ukk4d, you are right, that is all we are doing. 
There are no advantages with the se drm protection, more like disadvantages , its easy to break manually and there is also a drm removal application, this does not work on MT protected themes. |
Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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On 2006-05-28 22:43:20, jw wrote:
Sigh. You're still not getting the point. Why are you hiding behind another username?
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I sincerely hope that wasn't an insinuation pointed at me? Because if it was, you really need to learn pronto that I do not ever 'hide behind other usernames' I can argue my own case thank you very much. Shame you don't seem to think I'm mature enough. Next time be a bit more man to your opponent. Or do you need dupe accounts to back your own case?
As for elton: I mind url info being changed, by anybody. Just cause 'it happens all the time and nobody seems to care' doesn't mean I have to agree or like it. Which I clearly don't.
And jw you're right, it's a choice to upload ones themes or not.
And maybe it's not my concern, who knows. I'm just curious. I'm trying to understand the reasoning of 'url adding' to the theme file because, quite frankly, if the theme cannot be uploaded anywhere else by leechers in the first place, what's to gain by that? Why not yield to the obvious more important names of the actual artists? 
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jw
Joined: May 27, 2006
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Vlammetje:
I was reliably told that you use the name "tourist" on other sites and both users are from the Netherlands. Therefore it seemed likely that you and tourist are the same people. If that isn't the case, I sincerely apologise (although an IP check would provide definitive proof, but I'm not _that_ concerned!).
I hope you now understand that the author's name doesn't get changed when you upload it. It's still visible in Themes Creator just like the original. In fact, Mobile Themes is the only site (as far as I am aware) that actually checks the .thm file for author information and places it on the site with the file details, so leechers can't just download a file, upload it to MT and claim they created it. Of course, they could if they edited the file, but that's the whole point of the protection system.
The URL is updated to show www.mobilethemes.com as a way of tracking, mainly. If a leecher downloads the file from Mobile Themes and reuploads it somewhere else, it will be clear it was from Mobile Themes, so the real author's name can be located. Nothing sinister!
And as Elton has pointed out, if you opt not to use the protection when you upload the file, no user fields are modified at all.
To reinforce the point again: The artist's name is NEVER replaced by the protection system. Ever.
Out of curiosity, Have you tried the protection system yourself? If not, perhaps you should try it with a file so you can see that the author's name does _not_ get removed. |
tourist
Joined: Jul 23, 2005
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The subject of this thread notwithstanding ('cause I couldn't care less about leeching - I got plenty of real problems), I find it mildly amusing that while a website gets plugged by three people here, all registered in the last week and with less than 5 posts, I get accused of maintaining double accounts
Anyhow, good luck with the site. I'll check back later.
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Vlammetje
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On 2006-05-30 02:28:22, jw wrote:
Vlammetje:
I was reliably told that you use the name "tourist" on other sites and both users are from the Netherlands. Therefore it seemed likely that you and tourist are the same people. If that isn't the case, I sincerely apologise (although an IP check would provide definitive proof, but I'm not _that_ concerned!).
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You were reliably lied to. I use Vlammetje or any available varuation of the same as my username. Out of curiosity I'm dying to know who it is that knows me so well they even know things I don;t know about myself.
And yes I'm Dutch and a Dutch saying comes to mind here: 'Zoals de waard is, vertrouwt hij zijn gasten.'
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Welcome to esato..... have a look at the themes gallery here :rolleyes:
Good day to you sir and best of luck with your site.
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jw
Joined: May 27, 2006
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To protect the person who tipped me off, I won't give any names, but it was someone from m9 who said that he knows you quite well.
Anyway, regarding esato's uploads, does that automatically extract the author's name from the .thm file without asking for it? That's what I was referring to.
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Vlammetje
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it does, it was built for that purpose by laffen as I recall and I think I even recall somebody requesting that as a feature, although it's been a while since this took place.
anybody at mobile9 would know me only as vlammetje (or by my real name, which incidentally is not tourist  ), and I dare say anybody who said that doesn't know me at all  I'm afraid you've been witness to a nice act of 'make the facts fit the circumstances' then
Anyway, I hope there's no hard feelings. Next time don't be soo quick to judge people. Just because I have a different point of view does not make me a sad liar who needs to back up their own arguments for lack of better options.
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jw
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On 2006-05-30 23:53:12, Vlammetje wrote:
it does, it was built for that purpose by laffen as I recall and I think I even recall somebody requesting that as a feature, although it's been a while since this took place. |
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Fair enough.
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Indeed, it would seem so.
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There aren't any hard feelings on my part. It was only meant to help the SE community, and was never meant in any way to cause any trouble. I have no problem with you having a different point of view, but it seemed that you thought the author name was removed from the theme file when uploaded, which certainly wasn't the case.
Anyway, as I said, there are no hard feelings. |
RX7CER
Joined: Apr 15, 2006
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people.. you guys are making themes for FREE.. you are not PAID for making these themes.. protection is pointless because you are uploading free content.. unless you are being PAID to make these themes, you have the right to protect them |
Vlammetje
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actually, anybody who creates anything, free or otherwise, has every right to protect that. Just coz theming is a hobby, not a job, doesn;t mean people can rip you off left and right
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Posted: 2006-05-28 21:46
