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On 2006-03-13 01:55:00, nokiamaniax wrote:
hmmm... what is haram?
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Somethink forbidden in ISLAM.
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Very nice post axxxr, and may i add as well that it was the Muslims that also invented the english numerals too, imagine where the west will be without numbers  .
Please correct me if im wrong but i was told by a brother who is very knowledgeable about ISLAM that the Muslims invented many more things and the bycicle is just one of them, many things that we see today was already been talked about at that time, but the reason they didnt go ahead with there inventions because the Muslim leader at that time decided not to go ahead with the ideas because it may take them away from there religion. Which i though personaly is very true.
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On 2006-03-13 03:16:49, amnesia wrote:
alright, if you want to be so technically correct.
the concept of Allegebra and the subject itself was created by the Arabs.
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That is incorrect. Algebraic methods were employed in ancient Egypt and Babylon as well as being used in 1st century B.C. China and India. The word 'algebra' is a derivation of methods used in the 9th century treatise 'Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah', who's author, Al-Khwarizmi, is regarded as the father of modern algebra. As whizkidd pointed out, algebra (and indeed mathematics as a whole) has been developed by various different people(s) throughout history.
More information on algebra can be found in this Wiki article.
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Astronomy was not invented by Muslim scientists. The ancient Greeks had an understanding of astronomy, for example, defining the magnitude system. The Rigveda, which dates from the Bronze Age, mentions 27 constellations related to the motion of the sun as well as listing the twelve zodiac signs used to divide the sky. Hence one can see that the ancient Indians also had an understanding of, and used, astronomy. Important contributions to observational astronomy were made in the 9th and 10th centuries by Persian astronomers e.g. calculating the obliquity of the ecliptic.
On the subject of the telescope; Galileo did not invent it, but he did make improvements to it. Magnifying devices were known to Arabs and arguably the Vikings in the 10th century. There is also evidence to suggest that lenses were used by the Assyrians.
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Hardly since both existed before Islam. For instance, the concept of zero was developed by the Mayans or possibly the Olmecs independently of Europe and at least approximately three centuries before the founding of Islam. Mathematics was employed by several pre-Islamic civilisations including the ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks, ancient Chinese and pre-Columbian American civilisations.
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On 2006-03-13 05:25:29, scotsboyuk wrote:
That is incorrect. Algebraic methods were employed in ancient Egypt and Babylon as well as being used in 1st century B.C. China and India. The word 'algebra' is a derivation of methods used in the 9th century treatise 'Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah', who's author, Al-Khwarizmi, is regarded as the father of modern algebra. As whizkidd pointed out, algebra (and indeed mathematics as a whole) has been developed by various different people(s) throughout history.
More information on algebra can be found in this Wiki article.
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scotsboyuk nitpicking again,actually your incorrect ,the father of Algebra was and is Al-Khwarizmi He composed the oldest works on arithmetic and algebra. They were the principal source of mathematical knowledge for centuries to come in the East and the West. The word algebra is actually derived from the title of one of his books 'Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah'. Algebra was indeed further developed by throughout history much later but the foundations were laid by Al-Khwarizmi.
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On 2006-03-13 05:25:29, scotsboyuk wrote:
Astronomy was not invented by Muslim scientists. The ancient Greeks had an understanding of astronomy, for example, defining the magnitude system. The Rigveda, which dates from the Bronze Age, mentions 27 constellations related to the motion of the sun as well as listing the twelve zodiac signs used to divide the sky. Hence one can see that the ancient Indians also had an understanding of, and used, astronomy. Important contributions to observational astronomy were made in the 9th and 10th centuries by Persian astronomers e.g. calculating the obliquity of the ecliptic.
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Yes of course other civilisation did have some understanding of Astronomy by it was the muslim scientists who really understood it better than anyone else and made amazing advancements. Did you know that historians of astronomy often refer to the time from the 8th through the 14th centuries as the Islamic period? As that was when most study of the stars took place in the Muslim world.
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On 2006-03-13 05:25:29, scotsboyuk wrote:
On the subject of the telescope; Galileo did not invent it, but he did make improvements to it. Magnifying devices were known to Arabs and arguably the Vikings in the 10th century. There is also evidence to suggest that lenses were used by the Assyrians.
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Yes what i said that galileo is always associated with the telescope,all he did was take work others had done and make improvements to it.Even the worlds first plantarium was invented by muslim scientist
headshift.com/muslimheritage/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewBlogEntry&intMTEntryID=2734]Ibn Firnas[/url] [/i]It was made out of glass showing the sky at it was then,very much resembling today lanetariums, adding to it artificial thunder noise and lightening. Ibn Firnas, who lived in the 9th century, eventually died after attempting to demonstrate human flight, but crashed and was critically injured.[/i]
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On 2006-03-13 05:25:29, scotsboyuk wrote:
Hardly since both existed before Islam. For instance, the concept of zero was developed by the Mayans or possibly the Olmecs independently of Europe and at least approximately three centuries before the founding of Islam. Mathematics was employed by several pre-Islamic civilisations including the ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks, ancient Chinese and pre-Columbian American civilisations.
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Actually your wrong yet again,the concept of ZERO was invented by Al'Khwarizm Al'Khwarizmi wrote on Hindu-Arabic numerals and was the first to use zero as a place holder in positional base notation. The word algorithm derives from his name.
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well all science and maths can be found in the Quran... next thing u know top researchers are using the Quran for guidence.. |
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oh crap, another huge scotsboy post  .
If people can understand and assume what's the fuss?
It's not like so many people acknowledge the good side of Muslims.
And it's not like we have so much to be proud of.
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Origin of # zero
It is important to realize that there are many types, levels, methods, etc, of mathmatics, and there is not one, but many origins of mathmatics.
Zero was independently invented three times. The first zero is attributed to the Babylonians(Iraq) in the 3rd century BC.
The Mayans, halfway around the world in Central America, independently invented zero in the fourth century.
In India around the middle of the fifth century, once again the zero is born. It spread to Cambodia around the end of the 7th century. From India it moved into China and then to the Islamic countries. Zero finally reached western Europe in the 12th century.
The Babylonians used a sexigesimal number system, they counted in 60s. They scratched wedges and crescents in different patterns on damp clay tablets to make numbers from 1 to 59. A placeholder was required and originally a blank space was used, but this lead to problems and then a sideways double wedge was used.
The zero as we know it was still not in existence though as they only used it for a placeholder. There still was no "zero". For example, in recording inventory, they would write"15 minus 15" to represent nothing, or simply write "the goods are exhausted".
Islam was founded around 600AD by the prophet Muhammed, this placeholder was invented in the 3rd century BC, therefore the zero placeholder was invented by arabs, not muslims.
The zero as is commonly used as a number and placeholder in calculations and formulas in the world today, was developed by the mathmaticians of India in the fifth century.
The first writings and algebraic formulas were devised by Diophantus of Alexandria(Egypt) in the 3rd century AD.
Religion in Egypt at this time was a strange combination of ancient Egyptian mythology (ie. Ra sun-god), worship of deities in animal form (ie. cats, hawks, bulls), and greek, Jewish, and christian concepts. A lot of influence was due to the fact that Egypt was a roman province at this time.
Again though, islam was not founded yet for a few hundred years, so algebra is an arab invention, not a muslim invention. Perhaps some credit could go to egyptian mythology(joking).
Algebra was brought from ancient Babylon, Egypt and India to Europe via Italy by the Arabs.
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Religion in Egypt at this time was a strange combination of ancient Egyptian mythology (ie. Ra sun-god), worship of deities in animal form (ie. cats, hawks, bulls), and greek, Jewish, and christian concepts.
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On 2006-03-13 13:25:23, 02 wrote:
well all science and maths can be found in the Quran... next thing u know top researchers are using the Quran for guidence..
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Well they should if they want to no the truth i mean thier are soo many miracles in the Qur'aan, that the scientists have just recently discovered by using modern technology, one of them that states in the Qur'aan when it talks about Water that do not mix with other water, and the 2nd where it says pregnany is in three stages, the 2 i just mentioned was only discovered recently by western scientists where we knew it 1400 yrs ago
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On 2006-03-13 13:00:58, axxxr wrote:
scotsboyuk nitpicking again,
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Seeing that you had posted I could hear a factual accuracy alarm bell ringing in my head.
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actually your incorrect ,the father of Algebra was and is Al-Khwarizmi He composed the oldest works on arithmetic and algebra. They were the principal source of mathematical knowledge for centuries to come in the East and the West. The word algebra is actually derived from the title of one of his books 'Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah'. Algebra was indeed further developed by throughout history much later but the foundations were laid by Al-Khwarizmi.
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Algebraic methods were in fact being used in ancient Egypt, Babylon, India and China and algebra has actually been in dvelopment for thousands of years. The name 'algebra' may not have arisen until relatively recently, but the actual methods and concepts have been in use far longer. For instance, algebraic equations are used in the 1st century B.C. text 'Jiuzhang suanshu' and the Bakhshali Manuscript contains solutions to linear equations using algebra and also dates from the 1st century B.C.
Can I ask why you are repeating what I have already said in my last post e.g. that Al-Khwarizmi is regarded as the father of algebra?
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Yes of course other civilisation did have some understanding of Astronomy by it was the muslim scientists who really understood it better than anyone else and made amazing advancements. Did you know that historians of astronomy often refer to the time from the 8th through the 14th centuries as the Islamic period? As that was when most study of the stars took place in the Muslim world. |
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First of all what you are talking about is a progression of knowledge, not the 'invention of astronomy' as you earlier claimed. Astronomy was inherited by Muslim scientists and they made advancements in that field, just as modern scientists have. Neither can claim to have invented it.
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Yes what i said that galileo is always associated with the telescope,all he did was take work others had done and make improvements to it.
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I think what you actually said was that he took credit for it.
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Even the worlds first plantarium was invented by muslim scientist
headshift.com/muslimheritage/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewBlogEntry&intMTEntryID=2734]Ibn Firnas[/url] [/i]It was made out of glass showing the sky at it was then,very much resembling today lanetariums, adding to it artificial thunder noise and lightening. Ibn Firnas, who lived in the 9th century, eventually died after attempting to demonstrate human flight, but crashed and was critically injured.[/i] |
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Technicaly speaking, Archimedes had a primitive planaterium.
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Actually your wrong yet again,the concept of ZERO was invented by Al'Khwarizm Al'Khwarizmi wrote on Hindu-Arabic numerals and was the first to use zero as a place holder in positional base notation. The word algorithm derives from his name.
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Oh dear, I see you are incorrect again, this seems to be a habit with you. It really would serve you well to simply read people's posts properly. You will note that I said the Mayans or Olmecs developed zero independently, that is they developed it with no aid from anyone else. That does not invalidate anyone else from have developed a zero concept independently from the Mayans and Olmecs. Incidentally Al'Khwarizm lived several centuries after the Mayans/Olmecs had developed zero.
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On 2006-03-13 14:35:25, joebmc wrote:
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Islam was founded around 600AD by the prophet Muhammed, this placeholder was invented in the 3rd century BC, therefore the zero placeholder was invented by arabs, not muslims.
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Sorry but your wrong there, Islam was founded many yrs before Prophet Muhammad (SAW), it is a religion which was followed since Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) when he completed in building the kaaba (BLACK BOX IN MECCA) which was started by Prophet ADAM. Islam was PERFECTED by ALLAH in 635AD thats when Prophet Muhammad (SAW) gave us the Book (Qur'aan) just before his death. So there have always been Muslims way back to the Prophet ADAM. So Prophet Isa (Jesus) and Prophet Musa (Moses) are also Muslims too. If you study, you will know that at one point Prophet ADAM saw in writing in Heaven "There is no god But ALLAH and Muhammad is the Messanger of ALLAH". So the 1st Muslim to walk on this Planet was Prophet ADAM.
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whilst i dont completely disagree with what your saying, the other prophets messages in islams view were distorted and in fact thats why so many prophets came as there msg was distorted. so really the 1st true prophet of islam was muhammdad as the rest failed in there task as the words were distorted into christianity juadism etc. this is my understanding.
so islam in reality islam started with muhammad. prior to muhammad there was no islam just attempts if you accept the quran |
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On 2006-03-13 17:45:57, slattery69 wrote:
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whilst i dont completely disagree with what your saying, the other prophets messages in islams view were distorted and in fact thats why so many prophets came as there msg was distorted. so really the 1st true prophet of islam was muhammdad as the rest failed in there task as the words were distorted into christianity juadism etc. this is my understanding.
so islam in reality islam started with muhammad. prior to muhammad there was no islam just attempts if you accept the quran
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Well I did say that ISLAM was perfect just before the death of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Yes, i know that 124,000 Prophets came to this World and some of them were messangers passing the message on to there own people, but they did not believe and starting to kill there own Prophets, so it took soo many prophets to pass on the message which they did not believe, so ALLAH gave which was suppose to be thier religion to the Arabs, and it took only ONE Prophet to change the idol worshiper arabs at that time to be Muslims (Submission to ALLAH) and that was Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
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