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Yeah hi there i have a question abouth somthing the esato creators have written! |
gazobee
Joined: Apr 03, 2002
Posts: 146
From: Reading, England
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Ah, so you have seen it Xeleven.
I hear what you say and fully understand. I would like to think that laffen censoring opinions that don't match his own is about as likely as free money for all. Esato has grown to become quite and influential website in the mobile world. I and many of my friends have used it to help make decisions when buying phones. I'm sure that if the mobile manufacturers and service providers felt that it was detrimental to their business then they would make efforts to have it closed.
Above all it is an invaluable and informative resource for the mobile user. I for one would hate to lose it. Chances are it would never come to that, but you never know.
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pxus
Joined: Mar 14, 2002
Posts: 88
From: Barcelona/Spain
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come on!
Unlocking a phone cannot be illegal if the phone is yours! We know that operators pay part of the cost because we are signing a contract with them. If you do not brake the contract, youīre not doing anything illegal. Furthermore, ulocking the phone does not mean that youīre going to stop using this or that operator.
I can understand you worry about the image of esato, but i canīt see anything wrong in talking about unlocking. In fact, there is nothing wrong doing it.
BTW, did you know that the cost of a text message for the operator is 10% of what we are paying for it? good busines, isnīt it?
regads,
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pxus
Joined: Mar 14, 2002
Posts: 88
From: Barcelona/Spain
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gazobee> are you saying that we cannot say or discuss anything that is able to seem detrimental to operators???
Thatīs freedom!!!
Esato has become such a big place because of us, the users!
regards,
pxus
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Joined: Jun 19, 2002
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Well, i just dont knw whats the big fuss with that, he is not askin ask us not to breath- its just a small thing.
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ElGato
Joined: Nov 27, 2001
Posts: 328
From: Sweden
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Calm down people..
Just drop it, if you want help unlocking your phone go to some other site instead!
And I don't get the comparision some of you make, that it's the same thing to throw your phone in the water, or out of a building as it is to unlock it.
What the hell!?
Grow up! You know that it's not the same thing, and if you don't, then try it! Destroy your phone, see what good that makes.
As for the legal part, I would say that it IS illegal.
When you buy your phone, and it's locked to the network, you sign a contract.
And that contract binds you to use that networ with that phone for so long as the contract says.
If you unlock the phone before that period is over, your making a violation.
So what if some people/stores will unlock it for you. You are the one with the responsability, you make them do it.
In sweden it's illegal to buy sex, but not illegal to sell.
My point is, just because the service exists, doesn't mean it's ok to use it.
So drop the conversation, it is clearly not a wanted subject here at esato.
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gazobee
Joined: Apr 03, 2002
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From: Reading, England
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pxus
Of course I am! The whole world has been censored! Free speech has been banned!
I give up!
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Bjerkebanen
Joined: Feb 26, 2002
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in oslo its legal to buy to |
jnonhoffzieg
Joined: Sep 02, 2002
Posts: 268
From: Newport Beach, California
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I don't want to fuel the flames, and I'm not an expert on legal matters over there in Europe, but I'd like to point out the following:
1- Breach of contract, however it may occur, is definitely not "illegal" in any any of our countries.
2- Operators offer discounts on phones simply as an incentive to sign a contract, through which they earn an even bigger profit.
3- No part of the phone actually belongs to the operator and the consumer may do anything he/she wishes with the phone.
Having said that, I fully respect laffen's decision to remove content which may endanger this wonderful forum because of the restrictive and immoral laws in his country! 
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chucky egg
Joined: Sep 13, 2002
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From: England
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I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but here you are not committed to using the handset for 12 months when you sign a contract, you are just committed to keeping the contract going (and paying the charges).
You can do what you like with the handset, including unlocking it, selling it, even renting it out...
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ShibbyLicious
Joined: Jul 25, 2002
Posts: 290
From: UK
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@jnonhoffzieg
i fully agree, there is nothing illegal about posting coments and information about unlocking your mobile phone as it is indeed YOUR mobile phone, the phones are yeh subsidised by the sp's but what do you think all that line rental pays for !?!? u really think theres a need for line rental hmph ?!?! costs r recovered through line rental so as call time etc = pure profit !!
i do agree with laffen about wanting to protect himself - all i could suggest is perhaps a rewording of the disclaimer, maybe to say to protect the integrity of esato such comments will be rmeoved from esato rather than the now obviously wrong statement that unlocking your phone is illegal - this may solve everyones issues..... laffen !?!?!
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Posted: 2002-09-27 15:35
