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It will be the  for me here - P990 ! Good Luck . . .
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masseur
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On 2006-01-03 19:42:41, skydiver wrote:
Symbian was designed to be a phone from the start, now im not saying that makes it better but it is definitely the logical way to go.
If you need your device to be a phone first.
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this is a common argument and was true of early pocketpc implementations of phone functionality, but pocketpc redesigned from the ground up and thence renamed to windows mobile with the specific reason being that it would be used to a larger extent in phone form.
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batt (dont start saying my imate last two days or other stuff like that as i use both and my p will last a good 5 days as a phone. ( notice the PHONE bit please )
so as a conclusion i think the p series IS a much better Phone .
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I've mentioned a few times that I use my k-jam extensively. This includes at least 2 hours a day browsing, also checking email automatically every 15 minutes, endless calls, contact look ups, a few games etc etc and I'm still left with 70-75% battery remaining. The k-jam processor is by far the best for performance vs power saving in the market on any similar device and doing the same work on my jasjar when I had it I would be lucky to have 20% battery left
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Now to the pda part yes you are right i think WM does have more power than SYM based phones due to the prossesors the programs and so on but that is not to say that they are better at it.
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IMHO the WM PDA syncs much better with outlook and on the device itself provides better functionality for finding your data be it contacts, notes etc etc
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I Know that the p990 will do every job your WM based phone will do how fancy it does or how fast it does it doent make it any worse at doing it
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I'm not sure WM does it any fancier than the P series but it does make look up easier and offers multiple ways from the phone functionality of finding your contact, for example
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so as a pda conclusion if you have a job that needs to be done and thats it go for WM it will probebly do it faster and fancy-er .
but if that job has to be done again tommorow without charging and so on go for the p990 because at least you will still have your phone.
at the end.
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I've said it a hundred times that I really don't understand this fascination of endless days between charges. How many of us don't go home every night and stick our phone on a cradle or equivalent to both sync and charge the device. If I didn't do that my PDA and PC would be well out of sync after a couple of days. If I am travelling I always have a sync/charge cable with me so its still a non issue.
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If i wanted to watch a film i would choose the WM but if i wanted to watch the full serise of the lord of the rings and still have a phone then it has to be the P
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I don't understand that unfortunately as they both provide the same functionality in regards to watching a movie and answering calls, well, except that the k-jam has a larger screen for less squinty viewing 
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FINAL CONCLUSION
For me and my usage it has to be the p ( it will always get me out of trouble )
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fair enough, I do think that most P series users would stick to P990 due to familiarity but I'm waiting to see just how familiar the UIQ 3 really is, or if there is a learning curve that would also be there if one switched to a WM device
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On 2006-01-03 20:21:33, upper wrote:
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!! hehe 
Do not get the k-jam if your thinking about watching videos or any sort of vedio that is, i bough one purely for entertainment only, mp3 was good but when it came to watching vedios it was choppy and sometime you lost a sound although i converted the vedio for Pocket PC and the video stopped too, its the lack of CPU man it is 195Mhz only  . so operating the media (Windows Media) was slow. So i gave mine back in 10 days after i bought it, and noooooooo regrets at all, i felt cool afterwards .
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I don't know what you used to convert your videos but using the software I mentioned earlier, even going back as far as my ipaq 5450 and 4150, I have never experienced the problems you describe there. It really does come down to the converting software I am sure
@Mad_Bob, glad to see you're giving it a go. I'm keeping a total open mind about the P990 and with the obvious comparisons going on in this thread and also the other symbian vs windows mobile thread I think it will be interesting to do the comparison
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didnt realize it only had a 195Mhz cpu |
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On 2006-01-03 20:40:51, skydiver wrote:
didnt realize it only had a 195Mhz cpu
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its actually a 200mhz processor in some wizard variations but i-mate chose to slow it to 195mhz for more stabilty and even better battery power. However, in my thread where I compared the k-jam and the jasjar I found they performed fairly equally though the k-jam battery life is far far superior. The k-jam is very snappy (I'd be interested in how you feel it performs Mad_Bob) and is definitly no worse than my old JAM
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skydiver
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this is a common argument and was true of early pocketpc implementations of phone functionality, but pocketpc redesigned from the ground up and thence renamed to windows mobile with the specific reason being that it would be used to a larger extent in phone form.
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MS have never done anything from the ground up
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I've mentioned a few times that I use my k-jam extensively. This includes at least 2 hours a day browsing, also checking email automatically every 15 minutes, endless calls, contact look ups, a few games etc etc and I'm still left with 70-75% battery remaining.
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i rest my case you mite make day three at a push
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IMHO the WM PDA syncs much better with outlook and on the device itself provides better functionality for finding your data be it contacts, notes etc etc
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never had a problem and if people do i think its the windows pc that has it and not the symbian phone
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How many of us don't go home every night and stick our phone on a cradle or equivalent to both sync and charge the device
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lets see start a poll batt vs power i am for batt
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I don't understand that unfortunately as they both provide the same functionality in regards to watching a movie and answering calls, well, except that the k-jam has a larger screen for less squinty viewing
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i dont think there is any WM based phone out there that could last 9 hours of playing films
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upper
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massuer sometimes i use video which is already a WMV clips which is 3 minutes long and its still slow and lost of sound or if its a long film like 800 megs i use Windows Media Encoder, the same thing i used for my or should i say the best pocket pc the I-mate Jam  now that was wicked, fast and furious lol anyways i never had problems with the i-jam. the Windows Media Encoder converted my 800 megs films to a Pocket Pc platform should we say and compresses it to 150 megs with good quality. i like pocket pc, and the k-jam too but i dont think the k-jam CPU is fast enough for vedios, its just too slow. and im sure your previous Pocket Pc you had was fast enough maybe the CPU was fast. Have you ever watched movies on your k-jam massuer?
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On 2006-01-03 20:33:00, Mad_Bob wrote:
Sorry people but I got it. Its been ok so far but odd. I will give the media a go and see what happens. Cheers for the opinions. I will get the P Series as well if it proves as good as it sounds.
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well dont lose your reciept you might need it for tomorrow.
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masseur
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I watch movies alot, though probably 75% music videos rather than full length.
I don't use windows media player mobile to view though, I use TCPMP which is optimised for various CPU's and has loads of options for fine tuning itself and thus gives much better performance than WMP10
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dotsis
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p990.i've used the k jam and it's not particularly impressive.there are many reviews on the web that reinforce my opinion. . just google.good luck.
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Jah
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I know this not really help, but it shows that we all have different needs and different option. My ideal combination:
- XDA Exec for PDA functions and web browsing (once memory leaks etc are fixed)
- P990 for phone calls, PIM on the move and MP3s
- PSP for videos
No matter what people say, once you have seen videos on a PSP you will not want to use a PDA for this.
I don't believe in convergence devices as specialist devices get better all the time. e.g. my wife's standard SE K750 has a much better camera than my very expensive XDA Exec.
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Huh, what about a mini laptop then ? You will never want to watch movies on a PSP after watching them on a mini laptop ;-)
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okay i don't want to repeat what already been said, Masseur has given some good highlights.
I've been wanting to post this for a while but just haven't gotten the time, firstly some background, I've had all the p series phones and am planning on getting the p990, I currently have a jasjar which is also my first experience with the pocket pc os.
hardware comparison:
the p series have always been well constructed and have had great designs yes the p910 was a bit of a letdown feature wise but still a great little performer, if you compare all the p series phones with their rivals at the time they clearly won.
The windows devices are all from 3 or 4 manufacturers in Taiwan, HTC being the largest of them at the moment, Feature wise the phones are great on paper, build quality and materials are not up to sonyericsson standard in my opinion, I don't want to go into to much detail, but stuff like edges of the plastic looks rough unfinished and phones definitely don't look durable. don't even think my jasjar will survive a fall on a tiled floor unscathed unlike the p series even the plasticy p800 could take incredible abuse and come out tops. mind you the build quality is improving with every model released.
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here i will agree whole heartedly with Masseur the ability to find contact info on the windows devices is phenomenal no need to go into the search function and still not find what you are looking for, just start typing and you get what you looking for, Today vies is great and the soft keys go a long way to improoving interaction with the OS, but make no mistake people the 5 way jog dial is king in the land of navigating the os especially in conjunction with the stylus on the p series, the windows devices remind me of nokia series 40, the soft key just don't do what you would expect them to in conjunction with the 4 way directional button, same like in series 40 handsets, if you've used a 6230 you'll know exactly what I mean, and this is annoying, using the browser is good like Masseur said, but I miss opera with its multi window browsing on the p series. The os is alot better for phone use then before, alot better in fact almost as good as p series,
Know to get the myths out of the way:
! Software wise windows 5 is no better than UIQ 3 both of which will need a complete library of apps to be rewritten same with the new series 60 from Nokia, This is great as all the major mobile OSes are on level ground again, UIQ has a slow start but thats because the OS is not complete yet, but all of them have very few 3rd party apps wright now, so don't go out and get a K-Jam thinking you going to get tons of great apps for it cause you won't
! Stability of OS, Windows 5 is very stable even more so than my p series had it for almost a month now and not 1 crash. so don't let that put you off, forget the MS jokes, the devices are stable, now instability comes into play when you start loading ppc 2003 apps on this thing, simply put thats what causes wm5 to start acting up.
! Ease of use yes wm5 is new and great advances but nothing beats the ease of use of the uiq os and the p990 is going to be even easier to use, I mean, its such a hassle just to get my MMS working on this thing its unreal, on pseries you just sent the OTA settings to your phone and it works,
! Another myth is the ease at wich wm5 syncs with outlook, complete !@#$ this things syncing ability is !@# and thats putting it nicely, I don't know a single person who hasn't had a headache with wm5, yes when it syncs it does a good job but so did all my pseries phones and those worked first time every time, this wm5 doesn't stay connected to your pc long enough to transfer a 4 meg file, so get a card reader with it.
And thats the big differerences in my opinion, P series especially now that p990 is coming will trump the wm5 devices in my opinion, BUT, the wm5 does have the beneffit of intergrating quite well (after alot of hours spent configuring it) with a company MS infrastructure like exchange, terminal services, vpn and the like and thats why I will keep it, lets face no other product on the market is going to intergrate so well out of the box with Microsoft stuff like a microsoft phone.
hope my opinions help some people make a more informed choice when purchasing their next handset and one more thing if you want to run alot of multimedia stuff on your wm5 device you better off with the jasjar than k-jam, yes battery is not as good as K-Jam, but charging your phone every 2 days is not a problem if you have a usb cable at work and the charger at home
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On 2006-01-03 20:33:00, Mad_Bob wrote:
Sorry people but I got it. Its been ok so far but odd. I will give the media a go and see what happens. Cheers for the opinions. I will get the P Series as well if it proves as good as it sounds.
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@mad_bob - now that you've had a good chance to play with it, whats your verdict?
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Mad_Bob
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Finding it difficault to get used to, as in no jog dial which is a pain. Its also a bit slow. For features though, its cool, especially the Wifi.
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