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Nokialoverx
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I love nokia and se :-)
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max_wedge
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I'm actually considering buying a Nokia cdma phone for when I'm in the country (sorry SE but you don't have a cdma phone...)
The Nokia 6225 has vga cam, fm radio, colour screen but other than that it's pretty basic. CDMA phones don't have the same jazz as gsm or umts handsets....
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mib1800
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max_wedge:
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| ... so how come only SE users are guinea pigs? All new phone buyers are freakin' guinea pigs in this industry. SE are no better or worse than any. |
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I agree with you partially here. All first batch phone buyers are guinea pig in a sense. It is just level severity of it (i.e. how many times you have to update firmware before the phone is stable enough)
New OS (in P990 case - UIQ3) in a general trend would have more problems than than say Series60 which have gone thru several iterations. Are u trying to say the new UIQ3 would be as stable as the current Series60. Like you say, I quote "SE are no better or worse than any".
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hyperken
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WM5 is from microsoft
symbian is free source like linux
microsoft have whole lots of experts from windows to windows mobile...I wont be surprized to know that WM5 doing better than symbian....
Symbian provide flexibility just like linux in pc...
User and programmers are welcome try out everything without a single charged fees....
WM5 talks about license.....
Thats my comment... no hass feelings 
But i still like P990i + symbian 9.1 uiq3.0
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max_wedge
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On 2005-10-19 07:09:21, mib1800 wrote:
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| ... so how come only SE users are guinea pigs? All new phone buyers are freakin' guinea pigs in this industry. SE are no better or worse than any. |
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I agree with you partially here. All first batch phone buyers are guinea pig in a sense. It is just level severity of it (i.e. how many times you have to update firmware before the phone is stable enough)
New OS (in P990 case - UIQ3) in a general trend would have more problems than than say Series60 which have gone thru several iterations. Are u trying to say the new UIQ3 would be as stable as the current Series60. Like you say, I quote "SE are no better or worse than any".
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 yeah I was a bit hasty there, but I don't think it will be any worse than WM5. The way you make it sound P990 will be a dog's breakfast, but I don't think that will be the case. You used the example of K700 and K750 and it makes me laugh, because those phones are nowhere near as buggy as you perceive. I expect the P990 will have more bugs than the K700/750 . I also expect the worse will be dealt with promptly through firmware updates.
Basically bugs are a fact of life with phones and I don't see why it should be brought up as anything unique to the P990 (other than your low opinion of SE engineering, which I don't share). Of course the thing will have bugs.
I am actually very impressed with the P990, but I still see it as an intermediate step. When the new UIQ3 hardscreen comes out, we will likely see a departure from the P series with a touchscreen smartphone release very different (and smaller) from the current P series. That is when I will step into smartphone territory (for a carry around phone - I already own an XDAii but don't use it as a phone). |
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max_wedge:
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| Basically bugs are a fact of life with phones and I don't see why it should be brought up as anything unique to the P990 ... |
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I brought it out due to the fact that P990 would be the most complex phone from SE. We know as a fact when P800 was released, it was very buggy. When P990 is released it would be in the same situation as P800. At this moment, UIQ3 is not even commercially released.
Yes, bugs are fact-of-life. There are scattered harmless bugs or swamp of deadly bugs (i.e. those that cause hang/reboot/data corruption). My opinion is that P990 got a very good chance of catching the latter type.
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To tell you the truth, I would also be very interested in taking a serious look at this phone and how it stands up against Series60 and WM5 non-touchscreen.
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max_wedge
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On 2005-10-20 06:37:09, mib1800 wrote:
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| Basically bugs are a fact of life with phones and I don't see why it should be brought up as anything unique to the P990 ... |
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I brought it out due to the fact that P990 would be the most complex phone from SE. We know as a fact when P800 was released, it was very buggy. When P990 is released it would be in the same situation as P800. At this moment, UIQ3 is not even commercially released.
Yes, bugs are fact-of-life. There are scattered harmless bugs or swamp of deadly bugs (i.e. those that cause hang/reboot/data corruption). My opinion is that P990 got a very good chance of catching the latter type.
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To tell you the truth, I would also be very interested in taking a serious look at this phone and how it stands up against Series60 and WM5 non-touchscreen.
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I agree P990 will be a similar situation to P800. Nevertheless there are many VERY satisfied P800 owners out there, despite the early problems. I suppose I rarely rush out and buy something when it's still very new, so I rarely get stung with early firmware versions.
And to be honest, I guess I feel those who "must have" the latest and greatest at all times, must pay the inevitable cost of being first in best dressed. It's par for the course.
My one exception was K750, I jumped into that as soon as I could wing it (changed operators for a cheapie - Vodafone were giving me the shits). The lure of expandable memory and 2MP camera was too much. I fully expected problems, and was ready to wear them, but no such problem eventuated.
And thankfully I have resisted the lure of R1N
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mannyike
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The nokia E series are the most useless 3G phones ever made. No camera!!! 6630 and 7600 got away with one. Only SE P990 has everthing i want in a phone (gsmarena.com). EDGE is not need as the UK networks dont support it.
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On 2005-10-20 13:05:39, mannyike wrote:
The nokia E series are the most useless 3G phones ever made. No camera!!! 6630 and 7600 got away with one. Only SE P990 has everthing i want in a phone (gsmarena.com). EDGE is not need as the UK networks dont support it.
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This is why SE are so respected by many phone junkies - each phone in it's class usually has more going for it than phones from other manufacturers. SE have a habit of chucking 'everything' available in that class into one phone, when other manufacturers have the same features, but spread out over 4 different handsets!!
Finally you can say the same about their pda phone (P910 is getting a bit long in the tooth). |
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On 2005-10-20 13:05:39, mannyike wrote:
The nokia E series are the most useless 3G phones ever made. No camera!!! 6630 and 7600 got away with one. Only SE P990 has everthing i want in a phone (gsmarena.com). EDGE is not need as the UK networks dont support it.
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Have you heard of sub-market targeting. Nokia has so many 3G handsets that it can customize them for a particular sub-market segments. The higher potential of 3G is in data rather than video call.
E-series is targeted at enterprise market. That's why the camera is not essential or wanted. Wait for NMC in Nov and you will see the E-series equivalent targeting the mass-market.
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SE phones maybe loaded with functions. However, the wise should know that more may not be better. This is especially so when the "more" are mediocre and worst still cause more bugs. Take a look at the long-winded way to activate the speaker phone in the K700 and u know what I mean.
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max_wedge
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K700 is old, K750 is one button press.
However I agree about market segmentation and SE have started to do so in a big way - aka 3 x decent 3G phones; a sliding scale of feature sets from the K300 to K750; plus P, J, F, K and W series handsets all aimed at their own market segment.
And soon to come a hardscreen smartphone  maybe two (one a walkman )
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