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max_wedge
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it all depends how the panels work. For example panels that are just short cuts to the image gallery, or music player etc presumably are just fancy thumbnails - the app itself won't load unless you select the panel.
XML panels also shouldn't take up too much memory.
However any panel that displays dynamic content (presumably the clock for example) would use a bit of memory, depending on the type of content.
Any widget panel (for example a c++ panel) would presumably use a fair bit of memory depending on the task it's performing.
There are already Today screen plugins that are running apps. For example you can get a Today screen plugin that incorporates a music player - but the music player is running the whole time the plug in is active. I personally don't use this plug, since it seems just as easy to have a shortcut to music (and to just wait the second or two for the app to load when I want music).
But then other plugins are too useful and use very little memory, so I expect panels will be the same. It will be up to the end user what panels they use, but the default panels will be relatively low users of ram.
So if you want to slow your phone down with useless crap you will be free to do so, just as you can now with today screen plugins.
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mib1800
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@aksd:
Its far more advanced and got hell of a lot more eye candy
Yes, the panel looks nicer than those from spb or htc but the concept of plug-ins is the same. I remembered installing spb on my Exec and it is a performance hog just for ONE customisable screen let alone the X1 9 panels. Like max_wedge was saying, you can't blame SE for lag if you load up the panels. 
Actually, the panels are similar to S60 multimedia menu (or s40 standby panels and more recently the S60 fp2 or UIQ3 ) except that it is more fanciful. The main difference is X1 panels are add-on programs (i.e. take a hit on the OS) whereas the others are built-in/integrated as part of the OS.
Hopefully SE allows the option for the X1 panels to be unloaded. I would not want to use it if it has the lag shown in the yt video. I would rather stick to vanilla WM standby and menu (and maybe gain 20-40Mb of free RAM  )
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max_wedge
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If it's that much, definitely.
I expect at most though a standard panels config would use no more than .5-1MB, maybe 2-3MB at a stretch. We don't really know what's causing the drag on this prototype. Notice also, the camera didn't work  So I think we can consider this a reasonably unplolished prototype!
It's common to see slow pre-release phones that improve drastically upon release.
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mib1800
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@max_wedge
0.5-1 mb for 9 panels? I dont think so. More like per panel. If I remember correctly the spb screen app are something like 6-8mb. |
max_wedge
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the panels could be as low as 2-3MB, my impression of spb is it could be better designed. The PointUI shell is pretty zippy, so shells don't have to be painfully slow. My hope is SE will pay enough attention to the code to atleast get it down to 3-4MB. But your figure is possible.
Still a lot short of 20MB imho
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Dogmann
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Hi all
Whilst some of the shells may be static and just shortcuts it looks like some may constantly be updating information in which case i would imagine they may well be resource intensive to be able to achieve this.
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max_wedge
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On 2008-04-05 14:14:01, Dogmann wrote:
Whilst some of the shells may be static and just shortcuts it looks like some may constantly be updating information in which case i would imagine they may well be resource intensive o be able to achieve this.
Yes they are "active desktops", either xml files displaying phone info and web content, or actual applets written in c++. The xperia interface is an xml/html viewer, in other words a web-browser in effect, but a fancy one with a 9 frame view. Maybe Xperia is just a really fancy plugin for Pocket IE  (hmm, maybe mibs right about the memory... )
But in all seriousness, I think that an interface that does all that and still has efficient code is possible.
I'm a bit suss about the Aquarium panel though... As always, people will have to decide between gloss and performance. I guess I'm the performance kind of guy. You won't get me running Aero on Vista for example, no matter how fast the machine.
I think at the worst, to get top performance out of your X1 you will need to limit your panel use to basic xml panels only and no live web feeds or multi-media displays in panels.
For business, I think a couple of rss feeds and a news site panel or two wouldn't add to badly to the cpu load though.
Third party panels will be the ones to watch for serious cpu hogging.
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I am very curious to see if in the end this X1 will support AWS or not...
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Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional WVGA Today sreen:
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max_wedge
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nice, but no different from WM5.
Any screen caps of new stuff in WM6.1?
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strizlow800
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Well there may be improvements in security, speed and stability only...  Tho though this is only my opinion
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Unlike Symbian, WinMobile allows more possiblity for firmware upgrade to next OS version. I believe Xperia updated with WM7 will be possible if we base the history of WM handhelds The only problem is how SE will act about it considering their own history too  |
aksd
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Some of the features of WM7 require a hardware upgrade. So I wonder if it'll allow you to run Wm7 or the present generation hardware.
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Jabe
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I'm very interesred on this phone. I've always said that WM will not see my money, but I was so dissapointed in UIQ3 (in SE politics with symbian signing and therefore lack of the best uiq2 apps, to be exact) it's become more and more appealing. Now, when SE's produced xperia I'm even more determened to cross over to the WM side.
So i did a little research about WM, specially WM6 and WM6.1 and was left speechless when I saw the "updates" WM 6.1 brings. this one was the worst:
- the copy/paste function is now possible (but not in all applications)
i thought it was selfunderstood, not something v6.1 of any OS can brag about.
has wm any other such "surprises" compared to UIQ? I know a lot of you have tried both and will be able to answer that.
for example:
- can you surf the net (use data connection) and receive/make call at the same time?
or
- does it have limited storage for sms (for example 100) or can it use memory card space and store as many as the card can take?
You know, little things like that, things UIQ users don't even think about because they are so used to them. Of course I am also interested in better solutions (list them as well).
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aksd
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If you surf on EDGE you cannot make and recieve calls at the same time and that is the same with any OS. WIth 3G you can.
SMS storage is unlimited(as much as your memory card can hold)
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