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PeterKay Joined: Jul 08, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: The Ummah PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-14 21:24:35, scotsboyuk wrote:
@solidsingh, brownload & jagger
I personally found your posts quite childish and also offensive and I'm not even a Muslim. If you have a problem with Islam then fine, discuss it in a mature manner, but being childish about it really doesn't do you any service at all.
I'm not sure which among you are Sikhs, but I have great repsect for Sikhism because it places value on opposing evil and tyranny and defending that which is good. You really do that noble sentiment no good with such behaviour.
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Well said Scots.
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brownlad007 Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 264 From: The Punjab, Wolverhampton UK. PM |
Peter u know nothing |
PeterKay Joined: Jul 08, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: The Ummah PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-15 00:38:11, solidsingh wrote:
dont call parts of my religion bull, were you there when mohammad wrote the koran?
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Firstly, i didn't call your religion bull, where did i say that?
Secondly, Muhammad (pbuh) didn't write the Quran.
Thirdly, prove what you stated before about the year 1600 !!!
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brownlad007 Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 264 From: The Punjab, Wolverhampton UK. PM |
what happened in 1600 is a fact, please look it up if you dont believe it, |
PeterKay Joined: Jul 08, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: The Ummah PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-15 00:40:50, brownlad007 wrote:
Peter u know nothing
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Truth hurt - did it ?
What part hurt, please explain?
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brownlad007 Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 264 From: The Punjab, Wolverhampton UK. PM |
if allah is greta, y did he allow the sikhs 2 be killed ? how about answering that one ???? |
PeterKay Joined: Jul 08, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: The Ummah PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-15 00:41:57, brownlad007 wrote:
what happened in 1600 is a fact, please look it up if you dont believe it,
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Why don't you show me where to look up? I've never heard of it?
Please prove what you state with a link or quotations or anything at all.
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brownlad007 Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 264 From: The Punjab, Wolverhampton UK. PM |
LOL, why do i have 2 prove anything to you ? its not my job to teach you. |
PeterKay Joined: Jul 08, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: The Ummah PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-15 00:43:37, brownlad007 wrote:
if allah is greta, y did he allow the sikhs 2 be killed ? how about answering that one ????
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He's not Greta, He's the greatest, he is your creator and mine and mankinds. Not only sikhs get killed on earth, Muslims get killed too. and like it or not we all will face death one day too.
Verse 185 from Chapter 3 states:
Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object of Life: For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.
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PeterKay Joined: Jul 08, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: The Ummah PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-15 00:44:39, brownlad007 wrote:
LOL, why do i have 2 prove anything to you ? its not my job to teach you.
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It's like talking to a small child, prove what you state otherwise it's not worth mentioning! Where's your scripture, please post something about your faith so that we all can find out a bit more instead of me doing all the hard work.
Verse 200 from Chapter 3 states:
O you who believe, you shall be steadfast, you shall persevere, you shall be united, you shall observe GOD, that you may succeed.
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PeterKay Joined: Jul 08, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: The Ummah PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-15 00:40:50, brownlad007 wrote:
Peter u know nothing
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Truth Hurts? Maybe it was what i wrote before? Please read again...
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On 2005-10-15 00:32:01, PeterKay wrote:
Here are the answers:
No1: Missionary religion or not, people all over the world will get to know about Islam thanks to the Western Media today. This topic is to clean up all misconceptions of our pure faith.
No2: The snip, firstly it's not compulsary to do so but it is a Sunnah (teaching of the Holy Prophet pbuh) and that's why most get it done. It has many health benefits too, read on:
Circumcision of newborn boys (i.e., within the first month of life) brings numerous health benefits, including:
a – Protection against local infection in the penis, which may result from the presence of the foreskin, causing tightening of the foreskin, which may lead to retention of urine or infections of the glans (tip) of the penis – which require circumcision in order to treat these problems. In chronic cases, the child may be exposed to numerous diseases in the future, the most serious of which is cancer of the penis.
b – Infections of the urethra. Many studies have proven that uncircumcised boys are more exposed to infection of the urethra. In some studies the rate was 39 times more among uncircumcised boys. In other studies the rate was ten times more. Other studies showed that 95% of children who suffered from infections of the urethra were uncircumcised, whereas the rate among circumcised children did not exceed 5%.
In children, infection of the urethra is serious in some cases. In the study by Wisewell on 88 children who suffered infections of the urethra, in 36 % of them, the same bacteria was found in the blood also. Three of them contracted meningitis, and two suffered renal failure. Two others died as a result of the spread of the micro-organisms throughout the body.
c – Protection against cancer of the penis: the studies agree that cancer of the penis is almost non-existent among circumcised men, whereas the rate among uncircumcised men is not insignificant. In the US the rate of penile cancer among circumcised men is zero, whilst among uncircumcised men it is 2.2 in every 100,000 of the uncircumcised population. As most of the inhabitants of the US are circumcised, the cases of this cancer there are between 750 and 1000 per year. If the population were not circumcised, the number of cases would reach 3000. In countries where boys are not circumcised, such as China, Uganda and Puerto Rico, penile cancer represents between 12-22 % of all cancers found in men; this is a very high percentage.
d – Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Researchers found that the STDs which are transmitted via sexual contact (usually because of fornication/adultery and homosexuality) spread more among those who are not circumcised, especially herpes, soft chancres, syphilis, candida, gonorrhea and genital warts.
There are numerous modern studies which confirm that circumcision reduces the possibility of contracting AIDS when compared to their uncircumcised counterparts. But that does not rule out the possibility of a circumcised man contracting AIDS as the result of sexual contact with a person who has AIDS. Circumcision is not a protection against it, and there is no real way of protecting oneself against the many sexually transmitted diseases apart from avoiding fornication/adultery, promiscuity, homosexuality and other repugnant practices. (From this we can see the wisdom of Islamic sharee’ah in forbidding fornication/adultery and homosexuality).
e – Protection of wives against cervical cancer. Researchers have noted that the wives of circumcised men have less risk of getting cervical cancer than the wives of uncircumcised men.
No3: Muslim Youth Corrupt - Why?, well the simple answer is because they are not following the teachings of Islam and following the devils route. This is the case in many religions not just Islam.
No4: Quotes from The Quran, why should i not post quotes from The Quran? I think you fear the truth brownlad007!! Please do not be afraid of such great words. You may post from your scriptures - who's stopping you? This topic is for all faiths, so do not hesitate. I will post quotes from the final revelation till possible and you may do the same. (if u can be bothered)...
@brownlad007, what you guys did yesterday posting pictures and taking the p**s was very childish and uncalled for. Is that all you guys can think off when you have nothing religious to talk about. You probably thought we would retaliate by doing the same, BUT we are not childish and foolish, Instead i will post a quote from the only scripture that has not changed since the days of revelation
Verse 64 from Chapter 3 states:
Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we at least are Muslims bowing to Allah's Will.
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Janet_k500i Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 57 From: The Hague, Netherlands PM |
Hey guys first of all, can u please stop to quote? Im readin This very intresting discussion from my phone but imusing my joystick a lot now and i think he is broken now
Anyway i had a question for the Muslim guys here. Hope u dont take my words (again) wrong  Im from holland and as u might have heared they are going to ban the burqa here. What is your opinion about that? And today they arrested 2of my neighbours Because they were planning attacks on several politicians. |
Janet_k500i Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 57 From: The Hague, Netherlands PM |
Now it really scares me Because it really has come close. But do u all have problems these days that people as scared of u and what does the Muslim community do to show the people that not all Muslims are bad? Here in Holland there is a project in Amsterdam. Now its the time for Ramadan and Muslim family's from amsterdam are inviting non Muslims to their house to show them how they live. |
scotsboyuk Joined: Jun 02, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: UK PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-14 22:28:30, brownlad007 wrote:
3. why is the majority of the muslim youth in the UK so corrupt ? i do not see them following any rules of islam. i know some people that are fasting for ramadam but any other day they will be drinking, smoking, eating meat at KFC , having a bank account at halifax etc.
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So what? Are you 100% perfect? Is anyone? I couldn't care less whether a Muslim was stuffing his face with pork every night of the week; if he is a good person who helps other people and does his best then I think that is more important than whether he follows every single rule of his faith to the letter.
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I know of only a handle full of black and white people who are actually following their faith. this is the same with hindus and muslims.
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What exactly does the colour of someone's skin have to do with religious devotion?
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if we have statistics of which religion has the followers attending the place of worship i doubt you will see sikhism as a MINORITY religion.
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One does not have to attend a place of worship to be areligious person. Even if we were using that criteria Sikhism would still be a minority religion as there are far more Christians who attend church reguarly than there are Sikhs who attend the temple reguarly, not to mention Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or the adherents to traditional Chinese religions.
In reality a religion is a minority religion where the majority of the population are not adherents of it. Hence Christianity is a minority religion in India as Islam is in Japan or Buddhism is in Britain.
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And if someone thinks im rasict on here, think what you wish. ive seen so much hate against Sikhs by muslims and still see it. People doing these things in the name of the great allah.
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People are like that all over the world, they do not need to belong to any particular faith to be horrible to others. Fundamentalist Christians have bene known to protest at the funerals of homosexuals; Hindus have attacked Muslims in India; Buddhists have confronted Christians in Sri Lanka, etc. Religion is one of many excuses people use to attack or hate other people.
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Muslims have been torchering Sikhs for many years and i wont let that leave my mind unless we can live together in piece which i dont see at all these days. Maybe in some places but not many.
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Has no Sikh ever done anything bad to a Muslim or anyone else for that matter?
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And please dont paste sctriptures from the Quran. I can do the same from our Holybook.
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Then do so.
"I may be drunk my dear woman, but in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly." WSC |
scotsboyuk Joined: Jun 02, 2003 Posts: > 500 From: UK PM, WWW
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On 2005-10-15 00:35:07, solidsingh wrote:
if muslims are so great, why in 1600s did they kill sikhs and hindus for not converting. it was forced upon people then. the muslim women wore dead sikh babies round their necks as jewellery, men walked round with sikhs heads on their spears. But the sikhs did not give in, they died as martyrs. we suffered a lot back in the day and i dont think islam has changed at all. if allah is so great why didnt he stop the muslims from killing the sikhs and hindus??
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Why didn't the God you believe in prevent those deaths? Why didn't God prevent the deaths of the millions murdered by the Nazis? Why doesn't God prevent people from being murdered or killed in wars today?
My understanding of Sikhism is that Sikhs are to oppose ego, anger, greed, attachment and lust and in doing so they are to employ contentment, charity, kindness, humility and a positive attitude.
What I take from your post is that you yourself are angry and do not display either humility or a positive attitude.
I could equally decry the English for raping and pillaging Scotland or the Germans for bombing our towns and cities, but instead I choose to accept that such actions have already happened and there is nothing I can do to change that. What I can do is act to help ensure that they never happen again. Instead of blaming people for events which happened many years ago, in some cases several hundred years, ago I accept that those living today were not responsible for those actions.
As a Sikh you no doubt believe in reincarnation; how do you know that in a previous life you were not one of those Muslims killing Sikhs?
The 17th century was different to our own, values were different. Christians burned 'witches' at the stake in Europe, yet Christians today would condemn such actions. Religious belief is not the only determining fcator on human behaviour.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-10-15 00:53 ] |
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