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jake20
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On 2010-09-22 21:33:12, etaab wrote:
Usually yes, usually provided by Worldmate, which is a free app and has weather in it. Worldmate have supported Symbian since around 2002.
I wouldnt be surprised if one of the widgets can be customised with weather either straight out of the box. Personally its not a thing i'd use, the weather forecast is always wrong where i live !
EDIT: just checked Ovi store and its already there waiting for the N8 ! now all we need is the phone ! 
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2010-09-22 20:35 ]
i know, my forecasts are usually never 100% accurate either, but its something I have always loved having.. the weather forecast as simply as a glance away..
think i am going to pre-order a green one
always something great about having a color nobody else has 
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jake20
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another sample video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxhf8lGIUhs
EDIT:I Couldn't resist any longer.. I pre-ordered an N8
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-09-22 22:37 ] |
jake20
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Maybe its because i am coming from an old java feature phone like C905, and I have never used an Android phone.. but Symbian^3 looks great to me..
What is so bad about it? All i hear is that its so old and outdated.. all previews i read say that Hardware is great but its being held back by old and outdated Symbian^3 OS.
What is actually missing or so old from Symbian^3 compared to IOs4 or Android?
Can someone please explain?
thanks
EDIT: I see the conclusion of that article answers some of my questions..
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http://mobile-review.com/review/symbian-3-en.shtml
Conclusion
A lot of effort has been put in the S^3 to optimize the code and its work speed. Compared to the fifth edition of the S60 platform, everything appears several times faster, which is a great advantage. In addition, the increased RAM size allows one to run a dozen of applications and keep them active in the memory after that, which is another advantage.
As for the disadvantages, the S^3 is none other than an evolutionary development of S60 5th edition with a few minor features added (e.g. an updated player, single tap, pinch-to-zoom, HDMI output, several widget desktops). The situation is analogous to the Android updates from version 2.0 to 2.2 through 2.1, which happened within half a year or slightly more than that. What was added is a new gallery with support for geo-tags (version 2.1) plus minor updates to other functions, as well as extra speed in version 2.2. It took Symbian about two years to do exactly the same.
Unfortunately, the browser didn't undergo any significant changes and yet remains Symbian's weak spot, as well as the icon appearance, interface and its animation. The widgets and the way the desktops are organized are both beneath criticism, too. The developers must have concentrated on the unsuccessful Nokia N97 experience overlooking more fruitful solutions. Does the interface bring anything new to the market? No it doesn't. Are there any comparative advantages? There are none. For example, by adopting the idea of a video editor from the Samsung i8910, Nokia did add extra functionality to the S^3. Yet that is a single example of such successful adoption, there's hardly any other to mention. Improving the music player to the level of 2007's Apple iPhone can't be considered an advantage; it's an attempt to catch up with the competitor but not to claim the leadership.
I can come up with many other such attempts. Yet the final conclusion will remain the same. The S^3 appears an intermediate version of the platform unfortunately, one that has been delayed several times. What is presented in the end, has been available in other OS' for a long time, Symbian is just trying to catch up with the competition (e.g. the newly released social services in the phonebook could be seen in the N97 prototypes two years ago). For the Nokia fans who are satisfied with S60 5th edition it is a great improvement (it's faster, more stable, adds some new features), but for the whole market the platform comes out outdated, both in terms of its interface and many inbuilt software capabilities. It is functionally inferior to iOS 4 (e.g. in terms of games, social services, interface, e-mail functionality, amount of third-party software), Android (e.g. in terms of interface, extra phonebook and calendar features), Bada (e.g. in terms of interface, Social Hub functionality, etc.). Unfortunately, the number of updates in this version of Symbian is not enough to qualify for its own name; Nokia used to call such updates Feature Packs. Now the company is trying to make a splash since it is lacking resources and that is all it's got. All the effort has been put into S^4. However, taking into account the fact that the latter is based on S^3 to some extent, the company won't be able to build a new platform from scratch. Nokia is also dissipating its energy on MeeGo, which doesn't leave much chance for improving the services and platforms. All those observations put together provide the necessary justification for the meager Symbian update that we have.
The S^3 platform is a real gift to the competition from Nokia itself. Products based on S^3 will be widely advertized and have huge sales, which should have an impact on the product generations to come after them. Let me explain that. Having bought a phone with the outdated interface, the customers will soon get acquainted with the alternative interfaces and OS functionalities. And Symbian will only lose from such comparison, even in the low-end. There's no need even to mention the new Android version due at the end of the year. The new Symbian is inferior to the already existing solutions.
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jake20
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Interveiw with Damian Dinning, shot on an N8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhMND-1MOr0&feature=youtu.be&a |
Vit
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@ Jake:
I will give you my impressions regarding Nokia´s Symbian.
I really do not miss thousands of apps. I use perhaps only a dozen of them, and Nokia is known for providing good apps from its in-house development team.
Take the multilingual dictionary, for instance. You can download any language you want, and have up to three of them stored in your phone at the same time. The great thing is that it uses the built in text-to-speech engine (funny that I thought this engine would be present in the Satio as well - I was wrong, it´s Nokia exclusive) to synthesize the actual pronounciation of the word. And the engine adjust itself to the various languages available, so you can always have an accurate result, no matter which language you use. Talking about that, the same engine is responsible for the very good option of hearing the name of the people calling you, without the need of recording your own voice. It also recognizes your voice commands for the activation of some of the phone´s functions, as well as for making calls.
Then you´ve got the Ovi Maps - free worldwide voice guided nav, free worldwide maps updates... Free everything related to GPS. And you know it will always be free of charge. No need to crack apps or to hack your phone.
Another great in-house app that uses the GPS module is the Sports Tracker, that can help your fitness. It lets you even sync your trainning data with your PC and with a web based account. Very handy app.
As you can see in that review, S^3 has also a revamped version of the good Symbian Calendar, which now offers multiple ones. You can easily sync it with your PC Calendar.
The Comes With Music service is awesome too and offers an extensive collection of all musical genres. Pretty good solution to overcome piracy.
With the S^3, we´ve got pretty decent both picture AND VIDEO editors.
You also got Adobe PDF Reader, Quick Office Suite, and some good old games.
It even has an internal app that can allow you to block your phone remotely.
The Ovi Store may be small when compared to Apple´s or Android´s, but it satisfies my needs.
S^3 may look like an old OS, but now it seems to be quite well optimized for touch usage, with multitouch and gesture commands available everywhere.
It´s still a pretty good smartphone platform, IMHO.
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etaab
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First off, take a look at this video, its months old. Skip forwards to around 4 minutes into the video. Then, take a look at the green themed background for the next minute or so. Now is it just me, or does it resemble the Playstation 3 animated wave standard background. That appears to be new in Symbian 3 also.
See Youtube link here.
Secondly, do you remember this from a couple of weeks ago:
On 2010-09-09 20:30:39, etaab wrote:
So in short i suggest like me you buy a N8 now and in a years time see what Apple or Android can offer, but still keep the N8.
Heh, im quoting myself !
Seriously though, people seem to think that Symbian 3 is coming to save the world, take over from Apple or Android and see off every other OS out there.
Newsflash !! - its not !
Symbian 3 is the latest version of a deep rooted OS which has been around for years and seen off other competitors. Remember, Symbian is STILL the current market leader as it holds the largest amount of users than any other platform around the world. Global.
Apple and Android have only surfaced in the last 2-3 years. Because they're brand new operating systems they have integrated functions and features which are more up to date than Symbian since they were implemented in there from day one. Symbian has simply evolved over the years.
Ill say it again, Symbian is not outdated at all, its not been created to keep up with Apple or Android, that will be the job of MeeGo next year. Symbian 3 is for 2010 flagships, Symbian 4 will be for mid range 2011 phones, then MeeGo will take over in 2011 to take on the might of Android and Apple. Next year could be the most exciting time to be a smartphone buyer because 2011 is when the battle really will commence.
Nokia will have MeeGo, Symbian 4, Symbian 3, Series 40, a brand name which is the also funnily enough the global market leader - nobody makes more phones than Nokia do and so they have the biggest chunk of the market share.
What does Google have ? Android.. and Android.. and not much else. Yes, just Android. They do not even make their own phones and so are limited to just how many devices their OS can reach.
What does Apple have ? iOS, which is limited to their products only. Apple, luckily can count of the millions of mindless minions who buy phones for style or fashion over deep advanced functionality.
Neither Android or Apple have got the market covered from all angles. Nokia have, they have an OS for every phone from the budget phones you'd buy for £10 in Asda, to top spec high end devices.
Regarding the N8 enjoy it, love it, love its camera. Love its features.
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etaab
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By the way, ive just been shopping this afternoon and when leaving the supermarket i noticed an advert on the bus stop.
It was for the N8 ! it said coming October. Which is about right, if they said September people would be looking for it now when really its meant to be out 30th. I dont know what else it said since i was driving past at 30mph so didnt get much of a good look, it just showed the N8 in black (or is that charcoal ?) and the aforementioned date.
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jake20
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i cant wait.. but there is no adverts here in the US for N8 sadly 
my pre-order still shows a 10-2 arrival, so hopefully i will get it by 10-8 or so..
Do you have a list of the best symbian apps?
My friend had shown be a cool bar code reader app for Iphone, which you can scan any product in the store, and then it pops up a list of places to buy it at the best price.
is there anything like this for symbian?
or any other cool, useful symbian apps?
I am definitely buying that panorama app.. that looked amazing!
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-09-23 19:26 ] |
jake20
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AUTO HDR photos coming to N8 
http://www.nokia.com/makemyapp |
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I am going to purchase Nokia N8. will back soon with feedback of N8. |
etaab
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Bad news ! i received this email today !
" Thank you for your interest to be among the first to have the Nokia N8 in your hands in the UK.
You have made a great choice for the ultimate entertainment smartphone and world's best cameraphone.
We received your pre-order on xxxxxxxxxxx, and originally scheduled the delivery of your Nokia N8 by the end of September. For your maximum enjoyment of the Nokia N8, we had to move the delivery by a few weeks.
You will receive your brand new Nokia N8 during October. And you will be among the first to fully enjoy the benefits of a smartphone that is packed with HD entertainment and supreme camera capabilities.
If you have any questions about your order, you can contact us directly at 0800 331 6021.
Kind regards,
Nokia Online Shop Customer service http://www.nokia.co.uk/shop "
OH WELL !
Still any time in October is fine by me as long as it does not move back to November.
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jake20
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isn't this what was reported last week?
Nokia kind of blurred the actual release date, to cover up for another delay.
They still say it will be released end of September, but users may not receive it at their door until October.
This kind of buys them a couple of more weeks, without actually providing any new release dates.
My order still shows 10-2, but I ordered from a USA reseller.
EDIT: USA site now says end of October.. used to say end of September..
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-09-24 23:57 ] |
AbuBasim
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On 2010-09-18 18:28:15, etaab wrote:
You know what however ? ive posted pictures on this forum and many others since 2005 when i got my K750i and every phone since then including my Satio and have always had good feedback from fellow forum dwellers but not once have i ever on anything ever manually adjusted the ISO setting on any phone. I always let the phone / camera choose.
So if the N8 lacks an option to manually choose which ISO setting to use, i wont be bothered diddly squat !
Here's a quick example of the quality difference you can get with full auto vs manual shooting:
Two crops side-by-side from two N900 shots. Left side shot with the standard N900 camera app and the right with Nokia's beta FCamera app with ISO manually set to 100. The original shots are in the photo gallery:
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=30359
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=30360
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jake20
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the manual ISO shot does not necessarily look better to me.. just darker with less noise & detail
anyway.. you can manually set the ISO on N8.. ISO 100,400, or 800
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etaab
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Like i said, im not too worried. If Nokia want to hold onto the phone for another 3-4 weeks im happy to let them. Its possible they found a pretty alarming bug in the OS which needs patching prior to release. I dont mind as i know Nokia phones are pretty stable when released here in the UK, despite what other people will say when they mention the N97 issues.
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