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amnesia
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You make it sound like only Muslims have extremists. You have Christian extremists, jewish extremists.
Yuo have them all. Hamas ? Believe it or not, most of the modernizing Muslim nations don't even support them!
God said that killing the innocent is HARAM. God said that killing yourself is HARAM. They are tricked into thinking that they are doing something in the name of God and that's HARAM.
It goes against the root beliefs.
Look at Qatar. Trying to get the Muslim world to learn tolerance. The only way to be open minded is with education and Qatar's the leading Muslim country when it comes to education.
The Israelis are wrong for taking land, Hamas are wrong for taking.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Killing in the name of Islam (which anybody can do, even I can kill in the name of Christianity and it doesn't make me a true Christian.), or killing to defend yourself by making the first strike isn't right either.
The Israeli government is simply doing to Palestine what the Nazis did to the Jews.
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KingBooker5
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On 2009-01-21 00:43:28, Logicbloke wrote:
I wonder why being called a jew is pejorative in many languages
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Yeah its because of racist biggots like you. Hating on people you dont even know. Thats the thing with racism, its hate of the unknown and it makes me sick. Like I said before, the amount of ignorance on this forum is astonishing. |
julias
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Putting petty squabling aside for a second lets hope that the new president Obama can finally do something about getting a Palestinian state for the palestinian people to end their suffering.
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Dogmann
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@amnesia
Oh come you really can't be that ignorant can you? how can you compare what the Nazis did to the Jews which was Genocide and they killed Millions of people in Concentration camps. If this was what Israel was doing to the Palestinians they simply would no longer exist and would of been wiped out years ago. To even make such a statement as this
"The Israeli government is simply doing to Palestine what the Nazis did to the Jews"
Shows not only extreme bias but extreme stupidity lets remember Israel wants peace with it's niegahbours it's some of them that are intent on War and Israel's destruction and resort to acts of terrorism. Some of these Terrorist orginisations aren't even supported by many Arab states that want peace only the most aggressive and war like support them and continue to fuel the hate rather than seek a peaceful settlement.
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PeterKay
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1300+ dead mostly children/women in Gaza
13 dead in israel
Who's in the wrong?
You decide!
Salaams
Peace
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Dogmann
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@Peter Kay
Who's wrong has nothing to do with how many you kill!
Who broke the ceasefire= HAMAS
Who started and continued to fire rockets at a civilian population= HAMAS
Who refused to stop and call a ceasefire to halt the hostilities and Israel's incursion into Gaza= Hamas
Just because HAMAS can't manage to kill more people doesn't make them innocent does it? the reason there are so many casualties is HAMAS continued to fire rockets from within it's civilian population with no regard for the consequences.
Why doesn't Hamas fire them from locations where there are no civilians and reduce the risk of casualties to their own civilians then?
They don't because they are cowards and want to sacrifice their own people for propaganda and care so little about their own people they would rather spend money on weapons than food and medicine and have lost the Palestinian people tens of Millions of $ in aid because they won't recognise Israel's right to exist and resort to acts of terror.
Those are the simple facts we can argue about the loss of land and everything else that caused the conflict between them. But this recent ceasefire was broken by Hamas and this latest incursion was caused by Hamas continuing to fire rockets at civilians apparently against the laws of Islam.
There is no justification for the recent re starting of rocket launches it was done to cause this conflict as it was within Hamas's power to stop it from happening at many points along the build up. Israel wasn't firing into Gaza until the rockets started coming into Israel once more and reacted to stop them.
Nothing you can say can change those simple facts or justify Hamas's actions so stop spouting all your casualties propaganda as that's exactly why Hamas fires from within it's civilians as it cares so little and doesn't value their lives but wants to use the figures for propaganda.
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PeterKay
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In the world eyes, Israel have proven today that they are terrorists.
stats don't lie.
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naveedaziz83
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@dogman
So you think Hamas people were also sheltering in that UN based school where many people were taking refuge and despite warnings from UN that this is a shelter school, Israel bombed it anyway...
or you think Hamas people were hiding in ambulances driven by Red Cross which were taking injured (from Israel's attack) to hospital so that they can get treatment.
and what about the recent allegations on Israel, made by UN of using phosphorus.
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MWEB
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Some peoples mindset is set in stone on this matter, i dont enjoy banging my head against a brick wall, and i suggest other people might not want to waste time and energy doing likewise.
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Dogmann
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@all
What i think really doesn't matter as proved in this thread the majority of you are not good Muslims as you approve and encourage Hamas's acts of terror as justified. Which it never can be as it is both wrong and not Islamic by your own definitions.
You are a bunch of anti semitic supporters of terrorism the truth has nothing to do with your biased arguments and refusaul to face up to the truth.
Not one of you can come back with answer to the fact that
Hamas broke the ceasefire late 2008 and started firing rockets at civilians in Israel and why this is just or right and not an act of aggression and terror can you?
Furthermore these actions appear to apparently be against the laws of Islam yet you are all happy to conveniently ignore this fact as it damages your cause.
Now of course you all ignore these simple facts as there isn't any justification or answer you can give is there?
Again Hamas had plenty of opportunities to stop firing rockets before Israel escalated it's actions but it chose not if it had done Israel would not of needed to go into Gaza would they?
Again I've explained why the Hamas cowards fire from where their civilians live and again you have no answer for how or why this is right as obviously to any sane human being it isn't.
So come on then please just one of you explain and justify how or why Hamas breaking the ceasefire for no reason was right?
Why they continue to fire rockets into the civilian population from their own civilians homes knowing full well they would be targeted as opposed to choosing places that has no people there?
Why not accepting a ceasefire to stop an incursion and further hostilities was the right thing to do?
The simple answer is you just can't all you can do is see hate and no wrong doing by Hamas a bunch of murdering scum bag terrorists. To be honest that is exactly what i think a lot of in this thread areas well.
I'm done responding to all your constant lies and bullshit and will now pass a link to this thread for the relevant authorities to look at. Who knows maybe some of you lucky ones will get a free trip to Cuba out of it, i can but hope.
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PeterKay
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Just a reminder of the biggest daylight robbery:
facts don't lie.
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fatreg
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I'll bite my tongue.
But leave it kids before you all get banned.
But PK, facts don't lie, but stats do, and what you've posted there are stats.
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KingBooker5
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Thats not "robbery." Israel never "robbed" any land. The land was handed to Israel after WWII. In that case, why are you not blaming the likes of Britain for being involved with the creation of Israel? The thing is none of you will, with your mentalities the Jews are the cause of all evil and the scum of the earth. Lets not forget, Jews among other religious minorities are treated like second class citizens under the Sharia regime of countries like Saudi Arabia.
FACT: More muslims are killed by muslims than any other religious group/ethnicity. Its funny how every one keeps quiet over this fact. The fact is things like Sharia law give Islam a bad name. Im most likely going to offend, but Sharia law is a 7th century ideology, where woman are treated like dogs and religious minorites are scum (Jews are top of the list). How on earth can you talk about peace between the two, when muslim nations under strict Sharia regime don't want to live with Jews anyway? The governments of nations such as Saudi Arabia have corrupted what the message of Islam teaches. None of you will come back to this will you? You will just blindly overlook it and post more mindless propaganda. (Thats why no one has had a proper response to Dogman)
To be honest logicbloke should request his name to be changed to illogicbloke because of the rubbish he comes out with, stating such ridiculous garbage like jew being a dirty word.. don't get me started on the likes of QVGA, if he is not banned for his blatent anti-semetic nonsense then its criminal.
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MWEB
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You know, i don't allow political or religious topics on M-R, not difficult to see why, is it!!
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PeterKay
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On 2009-01-21 21:59:40, KingBooker5 wrote:
FACT: More muslims are killed by muslims than any other religious group/ethnicity. Its funny how every one keeps quiet over this fact. The fact is things like Sharia law give Islam a bad name. Im most likely going to offend, but Sharia law is a 7th century ideology, where woman are treated like dogs and religious minorites are scum (Jews are top of the list). How on earth can you talk about peace between the two, when muslim nations under strict Sharia regime don't want to live with Jews anyway? The governments of nations such as Saudi Arabia have corrupted what the message of Islam teaches. None of you will come back to this will you? You will just blindly overlook it and post more mindless propaganda.
Thats why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world!
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