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Nipsen
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Yeah. There are about as many optimisation rules and techniques as there are vendors of chips, but the standard is open. So, for example, someone could make a 3d UI on an UIQ phone, or make a few elements accelerated. Unfortunately, to do that you need to basically write your own 3d engine from scratch, and there's no known way to really mix UIQ UI elements with "3d" accelerated maps in some predictable way, so..
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mswallis
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OK let's tie this thread up:
The New 3G iPhone ! Is this the begining of the end for the SE P AND X series?
Answer: NO.
Reason: They are not competing for the same market.
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On 2008-06-12 10:10:10, mswallis wrote:
@Boinng
The X1 is a Windows Mobile device, not UIQ.
I know, and initially (in January or whenever it was) I was interested in it as a potential upgrade to my Tytn II later this year, but since then...
I think by the time the X1 is released someone like HTC etc will have already had a better phone out for a few months making the X1 outdated before it's released.
Exactly - it's already happened, the HTC Touch Pro is the natural successor to the Tytn II (current king of the WM market) and it'll be out literally any day now. It'll be far more affordable than the X1 (branded by all the networks) and is a far more practical proposition for anyone seriously wanting a high-spec, keyboarded WM phone in the near future. And of course there are other alternatives beginning to appear, and Windows Mobile 7 starting to loom on the horizon, and basically the X1 is yesterday's news. A lost opportunity, languishing in SE's usual development hell.
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Dogmann
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Hi all,
This iPhone is very expensive argument is complete rubbish you can get an 3G/HSDPA 8GB iPhone for £99 on a £35pm 18 month contarct that gives you 600 minutes and 500 texts with unlimited Data and WiFi.
Or for the same £35pm on a 18 month contract you can get a P1 that gives you 600 minutes and 1000 texts plus you change the free Bolt on to unlimited Web. But no WiFi so for the same monthly spend all you get is 500 extra texts or the same deal as this but £89 for a W960.
Which means the iPhone is a whole £99 more expensive over 18 months than a P1 but has free WiFi instead of 500 extra texts. Plus of course you would need to buy an 8GB M2 card for at least £30 making the iPhone a whole £69 more over 18 months. Then compare it with a W960 which is £89 and so the iPhone is just £10 more but with free WiFi so what's expensive now a W960 or an iPhone with 3.5" screen, HSDPA and a much faster processor.
So please some one explain just how the iPhone is so much more expensive then as sorry but that is nothing more than wishful thinking. Same as not realising that the iPhone is now gong to be very able to perform Business tasks. It may not be as good as a P1 but it most certainly is as good if not much better than the £10 cheaper no free WiFi W960.
Yet again it may not be right for you and if not don't buy it but this it's expensive and can't do certain things is an extremely weak argument now things have changed. That may of been true for the first iPhone but things have changed with the 3G version and the iPhone can indeed handle Business tasks.
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anonymuser
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On 2008-06-12 11:27:56, mswallis wrote:
OK let's tie this thread up:
The New 3G iPhone ! Is this the begining of the end for the SE P AND X series?
Answer: NO.
Reason: They are not competing for the same market.
Done, end of, finished, complete, and they all lived happily ever after, the end.
No, sorry, it's just not that simple anymore. The Iphone is now priced like an SE smartphone (or less), and it now is getting core business features built in, like document editing and Exchange sync. Like it or not it can, increasingly, be considered a tool for business, however it's marketed, and it will begin to encroach on that market. It may not be the typical Enterprise buyer's fleet purchase, but then let's face it - neither is anything from SE.
The Apple may well be an apple, but it tastes more like an orange than ever before...
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Nipsen
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Agree with that, Boinng. It's laughable, but symbian is getting competition from the iPhone on all levels. We know already, for example that people buy a smartphone for watching movies and pics, and for listening to music, or reading ebooks. And you can do that on the iPhone. The drawback being that you're stuck with content- portals and the manufacturer's and the service provider's content and so on, but that just won't worry most people - that's been proven often enough. And it's not like any competition, including UIQ isn't plagued by the same disease at the moment, anyway.
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Trev1982
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havent read through this thread but the new iphone seems like its hit the razer stage to me same case little extras nothing new.
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mswallis
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If we are talking about Operating Systems now (I'm having trouble keeping up with what features we're comparing in this thread as it is constantly changing) then I certainly agree. With iPhone OS the possibilities are endless, as it is basically a watered down version of Mac OS X, with firmware updates will come extra features and I think with the AppStore there's going to be some pretty tasty applications available, and because the Apps need a digital signature by Apple to be able to be put on the AppStore there is not going to be any crappy software available, it will all be very high quality. |
whentheleveebreaks
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I cant wiat for the app store, and i love that apps <10mb we can download of the air. awesome.
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ares
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boinng, it DOES NOT have office doc editing, only viewing, again check your facts
Unsubsidized price in italy: 499 for the 8gb versio, 599 for the 16 gb version
And just another little thing, to those claming uiq is going down: g900 will be a success, and probably the most sold uiq device ever - just read its first users coments, specially people that never had a smartphone. While is not a super phone, its something SE should have done along time ago. |
mswallis
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On 2008-06-12 12:44:21, whentheleveebreaks wrote:
I cant wiat for the app store, and i love that apps <10mb we can download of the air. awesome.
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Nipsen
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On 2008-06-12 12:36:24, mswallis wrote:
(...) and because the Apps need a digital signature by Apple to be able to be put on the AppStore there is not going to be any crappy software available, it will all be very high quality.
rofl. Good god. You really would go for that? Given the choice, you really would choose a content- portal from one provider, made to their limited specifications, rather than shop around from independent developers?
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mswallis
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On 2008-06-12 12:48:32, ares wrote:
it DOES NOT have office doc editing, only viewing
You're right, but what's the odds that Microsoft aren't developing Office for iPhone as we speak, they'd be stupid not to as I personally think it's going to be quite a big market. Mark my words an iPhone version of Microsoft Office will be available on the AppStore one day.
@Nipsen - I didn't say that did I, I merely said that the software will be good quality.
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anonymuser
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On 2008-06-12 12:32:00, taz666 wrote:
havent read through this thread but the new iphone seems like its hit the razer stage to me same case little extras nothing new.
Let me make it easy - NEW:
- Internal GPS
- HSDPA high speed data
- Exchange support (eg full corporate-strength email/calendar/tasks/contacts built in)
- Full range of third party apps downloadable from the app store
- Easily affordable, network-subsidised price competitive with anything from SE etc
I'm sure there's more, but those are the headlines, and they're not insignificant.
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bobstarsg
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The New 3G iPhone ! Is this the begining of the end for the SE P AND X series?
NO ! but still, i would like to try it
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