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razec
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On 2007-11-02 01:26:33, mongoose3800 wrote:
Plankgatan, I'm/we're still waiting for you to deliver on your promise of posting some full size samples of images you have posted.
100% crop please  i want to see the details on the leaves and the grass of the picture prove to me that the water color effect on N95 does not degrade the quality of the photos
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mongoose3800
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I actually did a comparison shot with my K800. You're right - the n95 didn't handle the leaves very well. See 100% crops of leaves from N95 and K800 below
N95:
K800:
But, the picture at full res overall is not too bad, it's certainly focused, sharp and doesn't strike you as been grainy. The N95 did much better on the pebbles:
N95:
K800:
I know, it's not best to compare N95 with K800 but I can't get my hands on a K850. From what I've seen the K800 shots are on par if not better than K850 anyway. This is why I want to see some more full res k850 shots.
I'll try and submit full res images today - it's a bit hard for me to do at work though so may have to wait until tonight. |
mongoose3800
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Ok. Full res photo's submitted here:
K800:
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=7919
n95:
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=7918
It's interesting how K800 does a far better job of the leaves all over. Even in the far distance. The N95 doesn't seem to like green. K800 is still more grainy over all and the close up details are better on N95.
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razec
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@mongoose
But, the picture at full res overall is not too bad, it's certainly focused, sharp and doesn't strike you as been grainy. The N95 did much better on the pebbles:
as max and all others said the reason why N95 images aren't grainy or noisy and looked sharp was because of the certain post processing after the image was taken. this comprises the noise reduction, oversharpening, and oversaturating of colors that makes N95 images very good to the eye - i too am happy with N95 quality but the water-color effect is an issue that was unacceptable for photographers who wants better details
This is what i have done with K850 - i used photoshop to apply similar adjustments N95 uses - like sharpening, noise reduction and colors(although i failed to adjust it in the same degree as N95 as i am not very good in saturating colors  )
heres the grass shots: (from GSMArena K850 vs N95 )
k850
n95
from here we can conclude that K850 has really more details than N95, because if it's not, the overprocessing i have done with K850 will produce pictures with details more degraded than the details N95 images have for example imagine an already detail-degraded image undergo another noise reduction and sharpening.. expect the worse imho
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mib1800
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This was posted in the wrong thread thread. I just compared DarKMaGiCiaN (only one or 2 persons who have posted full-sized K850 phtos) to those taken by my N95. You can see that at full size, K850 sensor is very noisy compared to N95.
Compare this taken with K850 (from DarKMaGiCiaN)
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00861eo0.jpg
and following i took with my N95 way back
http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=01052007131wa7.jpg
Even in daylight, K850 sensor exhibits a lot of noise.
http://www.bof3d.com/up/get-10-2007-bof3d_comsg7o1jb2.JPG
compared to the one with my N95 from few months back taken in daylight.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48//01042007039fk7.jpg
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razec
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On 2007-11-02 05:00:44, mib1800 wrote:
This was posted in the wrong thread thread. I just compared DarKMaGiCiaN (only one or 2 persons who have posted full-sized K850 phtos) to those taken by my N95. You can see that at full size, K850 sensor is very noisy compared to N95.
 when will you believe that the reason why N95 images are noise-free was because of that aggressive noise reduction that kicks details far from natural. and that tricky oversaturation that beautifies N95 images but making it very unnatural.
K850 sensor is very noisy compared to N95.
now i know K850's sensor talks
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mib1800
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On 2007-11-02 05:06:17, razec wrote:
when will you believe that the reason why N95 images are noise-free was because of that aggressive noise reduction that kicks details far from natural. and that tricky oversaturation that beautifies N95 images but making it very unnatural.
K850 sensor is very noisy compared to N95.
now i know K850's sensor talks
Look at the picture of N95 I posted. Does those look like they have gone thru an aggressive noise reduction or oversharpening?? It is you who dont get it. You can't get so much detail after overprocessing. Look at the pebble shots posted by mangoose. K800 shot has less details than N95 eventhough N95 shot is "overprocess" as you put it.
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razec
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On 2007-11-02 05:19:59, mib1800 wrote:
Look at the picture of N95 I posted. Does those look like they have gone thru an aggressive noise reduction or oversharpening?? It is you who dont get it. You can't get so much detail after overprocessing. Look at the pebble shots posted by mangoose. K800 shot has less details than N95 eventhough N95 shot is "overprocess" as you put it.
have you seen the tree leaves then? isn't that what we call detail lost which GSMArena highlighted when they commented on the tree leaves that become green cloud? and i'll ask you, if you are photographer in profession, do you think the pebbles looked natural? do think those pebbles don't undergo post processing?
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mib1800
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I am not saying N95 dont do post-processing. Under some circumstances (like the tree leaves), it gets it wrong but not under all conditions. I also bet that K850 has some post-processing done.
Until SE can improve the post-processing algorithm so that pict will come out as good or better than N95 then imo it is pointless to try to present "what-if scenario" on why the K850 pictures are better. As it stands, after factoring post-processing and lens factors, N95 pictures still come out better than K850.
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AbuBasim
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@mib1800
Next time you try to show that the N95 doesn't do excessive noise reduction then make sure to upload photos without fine details:
(What happened to the labels on the remote? Smeared out with solvent?)
Your second photo is better in that way. No minute details lost there as there are none to loose!
Here's an example where small details are not lost:
A macro shot of a stamp:
And from the above, an 800x600 crop at full scale:
(To be fair, the above photo was not shot with a K850i. It's just an example to show what a photo from a really good camera phone can look like, without any noise reduction and sharpening what so ever.)
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mib1800
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I think my picture was not shot with macro mode.  The bluring in my pict may not be entirely due to noise reduction but be due to the auto-focus.
obviously you cant compare n95 with a dedicated digicam as the sensor size is much larger in digicam.
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plankgatan
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been there...done that.....
WHY ARE YOU NAGGING ABOUT THIS FULL SIZE ??????? (we have show you full size pictures !!!!
stop this silly im-jealous-becuase-i-have-no-good-cell-phone-camera-so-i-need-to-nagg-about-it...
k850 have a better allround camera....N95 take realy BAD indoor, low light/night pics....(even the Macro looks fairly Bad...it have such a bad allround camera).
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AbuBasim
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On 2007-11-02 08:01:05, mib1800 wrote:
I think my picture was not shot with macro mode. The bluring in my pict may not be entirely due to noise reduction but be due to the auto-focus.
obviously you cant compare n95 with a dedicated digicam as the sensor size is much larger in digicam.
Ahh... But you see, my photos were not shot with a digicam...
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plankgatan
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one question about the sensor...........
if the sensor is so bad (like you say)...why take k850 much better indoor, low light pictures then N95, (whitout flash of course) ?????
its make no sense.......
ps..why i showed you guys the water drop picture, was to see the power in Macro mode on k850.....i havnt see any Macro picture who beat that picture.
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mib1800
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if the sensor is so bad (like you say)...why take k850 much better indoor, low light pictures then N95, (whitout flash of course) ?????
Show us where K850 takes much better indoor low light photo (side-by-side comparison of the same scene). And please dont refer me your shrunk down photo. 
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