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Post your pictures/videos taken with your T650 |
jack00
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i have updated my phone, because i may thought that my pictures were bad because of the old firmware
now look - the result is even wors!
what the f**k ?
its already blured out on the display before taking the pic - can anyone help me ?
thx - sorted it out (restarted the phone, and the blur was gone=
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plankgatan
Joined: May 20, 2007
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On 2008-03-25 12:42:17, soane28 wrote:
mayby radiux has just worked out how to use the t650 cam like you have with your k850 plank!
now days, there is many more K850 people who get awesome pictures EVERY DAY. //amras, perfect, brewcaster, luci power, famous, Gerbang, larry68, etc, etc, etc.... //
i have just find ONE T650 phone who produce this DSLR quality....
super cam driver ??? i dont know, but they dosent look similar to the rest of T650 pictures.
Radiuxs said himself that this skiing pictures dosent come from him self, they come from Flickr.com...... can be good to know
ps... if i find a T650 who can produce this quality, i buy it directley 
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Radiux399
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Not all of my pictures come out great. Some are a bit over exposed. Some come out blurry. Obviously i'm not going to post a blurry picture - does anybody? Others however come out exceptionally well. Even better than I expected. It all comes down to having a steady hand.
However, I can pretty much assure you that the pics that i've posted that are from Flickr do come from a T650i. The T650i does very little, or no noise reduction. As a result, there is usually a high amount of chromatic noise (red and green colored dots) that can be seen in the darker sections of a picture. All the pictures that i've posted have this noise, and so I am confident that its from a T650i.
Also, I feel I should add that I believe that its this absence of noise reduction that allows that K770/T650 to take such good pictures. The K800/K850 line attempt to remove this noise by smearing or smoothing it out. However, the CPU in the phones aren't fast enough to do quality noise reduction in a reasonable amount of time, so the result is usually pretty quick and sloppy, and actually erases crucial details from the image. Similar to how a poorly encoded mp3 looses some sound data from the original CD or WAV file.
Using a quality noise removal program (I use Neat Image), its actually possible to remove the chromatic noise, and have a far better looking picture than what the K800/K850 is able to produce - but without the loss of detail or smearing. You can use Neat Image on pictures from the K800/K850 too to remove noise, but the damage has already been done - there is no way to bring back detail that was thrown out by the camera. Just like you can't bring back lost detail from an mp3 file. This is the main reason I prefer the K770/T650 camera to the K800 or K850.
(please note that in all the pictures i've posted I have not used any noise removal programs - they are all straight from the phone). However, it is possible to improve on them by removing some excess chromatic noise) |
Radiux399
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Jack, i'm not sure exactly what you are trying to take a picture of, but it looks like its both out of focus, and that the lens cover may be dirty/smudged. I always make sure to wipe the camera before I take a shot, since the T650 camera is exposed with no cover. |
catapult
Joined: Jan 22, 2008
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@Radiux399
I'm not sure if you've already mentioned it before but I would like know which firmware version does your t650i have? Mine is currently with R8BB001. |
Radiux399
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On 2008-03-26 00:25:55, catapult wrote:
@Radiux399
I'm not sure if you've already mentioned it before but I would like know which firmware version does your t650i have? Mine is currently with R8BB001.
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catapult
Joined: Jan 22, 2008
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Would you happen to have a file of the original camera driver for firmware R7AA024? If not, would you be able to tell me what camera driver version to look for so that I can try it via XS++. |
Radiux399
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Here is an example of the noise reduction that I am referring to. I took both shots in a somewhat dark environment. The K850 is on the left, the T650i on the right. Both are a 100% full sized crop straight from the phone. Click to see the full image.
What should become immediately apparent is just how much detail was lost on the left shot. The telephone in particular is so smeared that its almost impossible to tell what it is. The edges of all high contrasting objects have a "fuzz" around them. The wood grain on the table has lost all its features. Even if I were to use a noise removal program on the left shot, it still would not bring back all the detail thrown away. I'm not trying to say that the T650 is superior to the K850 in all ways, but it certainly has its advantages.
Note: You can actually see my T650 in the left shot on my desk
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catapult
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Would you happen to have a file of the original camera driver for firmware R7AA024? If not, would you be able to tell me what camera driver version to look for so that I can try it via XS++. |
plankgatan
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@Raidux... that K850 indoor pic looks HORRIBLE against the T650...
T650 will Never produce better indoor pics then K850.. its techical impossible...end of story
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Vipera ammodytes
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On 2008-03-26 01:08:19, Radiux399 wrote:
Here is an example of the noise reduction that I am referring to. I took both shots in a somewhat dark environment. The K850 is on the left, the T650i on the right. Both are a 100% full sized crop straight from the phone. Click to see the full image.
What should become immediately apparent is just how much detail was lost on the left shot. The telephone in particular is so smeared that its almost impossible to tell what it is. The edges of all high contrasting objects have a "fuzz" around them. The wood grain on the table has lost all its features. Even if I were to use a noise removal program on the left shot, it still would not bring back all the detail thrown away. I'm not trying to say that the T650 is superior to the K850 in all ways, but it certainly has its advantages.
Note: You can actually see my T650 in the left shot on my desk
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just : LOL
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Radiux399
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On 2008-03-26 01:17:47, plankgatan wrote:
@Raidux... that K850 indoor pic looks HORRIBLE against the T650...
T650 will Never produce better indoor pics then K850.. its techical impossible...end of story
If its impossible, then why did the T650 take a better shot?
Also, i'm not trying to start a war here or anything. I'm just posting my findings.
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plankgatan
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which T650 pictures is from your T650 ???? (except for this compare pictures of course)
once again im wondering how this skiing pictures can look so good... im stubborn you know... he he he
ps... look inside the K850 thread at some indoor pics... then look at some T650 indoor pics...do i really have to say anything else ????
this is indoor K850... 100% original picture.. (a T650 will never produce this details at indoor..no flash of course)
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Radiux399
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The K850 has a lot of advantages when it comes to indoors photography - xenon flash, image stabilization, and a larger aperture which allows more light in.
However, its biggest downfall is that it simply has too much noise, especially when the ISO ramps up and the noise reduction tries to compensate. You get that blurry mess that I posted above. This should NOT come as a surprise to you, because if you really do own a K850, then you would see this noise suppression on every single one of your shots when viewed at 100%. If you shrink the picture down then it becomes less apparent sure, but you didn't buy a 5mp camera to view your pictures at 800x600, now did you? |
Radiux399
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Plankgatan, can you post the full 5mp file of the image you just posted? |
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