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MartenR
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Don't you think LG's use of girls for promoting their products is a little excessive. Numerous times I've seen people talking about the girls rather than their products in comment section.
I just feel bad when I see this kind of advertisment is actually very successful. | |
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supercoolman
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but LG make Nexus too? |
Gitaroo
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On 2014-01-13 16:56:16, Xajel wrote:
On 2014-01-13 15:21:01, Gitaroo wrote:
pretty useless even if they can clock it up to 3GHz when there is constant down clock whenever it gets hot. Problems with snapdragon for a while. Thats why mediatek look promising because they manage to solve that at least according to them anyway. I think someone told me nVidia charge too much for their tegra so its never really popular among the OEM, I guess thats why we barely see much of Tegra 4. And they never seems to be as good as nVidia has claim either.
Actually, what makes Tegra 4 rare is coz of it's high power consumption While NVIDIA did something smart by having that companion core, but in most cases that core is only running while the phone is in standby... while idle the SoC will switch to the 4 A15 Cores... and while These cores can scale good from low to high depending on the task, A15 by it self even in the lowest state consume too much for a mobile SoC.. even if only one core is enabled...
ARM know this and that's why they started with the idea of LITTLE.big they designed A15 to be high-performance ( that's why it has Out-Of-Order arch. ), and this kind of performance comes with high power demand even in it's lowest state... basically A15 can't scale well in the low side of power it's not efficient at these low power, so ARM designed A7 to fill that gap in the low side...
This is the exact reason why you didn't saw any A15 quad only SoC in the wild, Dual A15, Quad LITTLE.big or Octa LITTLE.big...
And just remember Samsung first pathetic take in the OctaCore in the S4 ( i9500 ), the switching between both A15 side and A7 wasn't perfect, and early firmwares was horrible in battery life as the driver sometimes will not switch back to A7 making the chip A15 quad and eating the battery life in no time, not to mention the overheating which was another dark side of that faulty driver which Samsung shipped in retail product !!
Thought nVidia said the companion core is use to handle stuffs like music and video playback, any demanding task will use the main processor. I mean Sony did the same with Vita design, all the music and video playback are done by the media engine 2. |
Xajel
Joined: Jun 18, 2004
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^^^
Yes, There's no problem with that, but the problem is with normal usage, when we use apps, SoC will scale the clock speed depending on demand... but even with very low demand from regular apps that does not require a full of A15 power the A15 won't be able to scale it... it's like running a Core i3 @1GHz and compare it to Atom @2GHz and both for just doing simple things that the Atom @2GHz is just more than enough... Core i3 @1GHz will still consume a lot of power compared to Atom @2GHz... that's why Intel didn't make Core i3 for mobile even when running at 500MHz.. they needed a different Architecture for such usage...
The companion core isn't enough for things which sits between Music/Video and other high performance things it's weaker than these needs so the SoC will switch to the A15 by that time...
If A15 was good at scaling then NVIDIA won't need a companion core at all, they can just run one of these A15 cores at lower clock like 500MHz and it will be enough... but A15 @500MHz is not as efficient as A7 @500MHz..
If NV wants something to fix it, they need a better companion core or cores actually as newdays even some simple tasks like browsing the net are multi threaded and imagine how good Android is in multi-tasking then you will know you need more than just one companion core for it...
The reason for NV to not go for multi core A7 and put just one core is because their GPU needs too much die space, and adding 4 A7 cores will make the chip very large and not economic also ( more expensive for an already expensive chip )...
it's like how AMD Fusion APU's ( even the newest one Kaveri ) isn't available yet in 8 cores because the iGPU is too big to add more general purpose cores...
basically Tegra's GPU is not small die friendly and it's not designed from ground to be a mobile GPU core, compared to Mali, Adreno or PowerVR...
To have an idea, This is Tegra K1 die shot
http://media.bestofmicro.com/J/6/416706/original/tegra-die.jpg
Here's Tegra 4 die shot
http://cdn.androidpolice.com/[....]nexusae0_Tegra-4i_die_shot.png
And here's Apple A6 ( note that these are modified ARM dual cores )
http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-c[....]s/2013/04/apple_a6_dieshot.jpg
And Here's Apple A7 ( Again, modified dual ARM cores, but note that additional GPU Core )
http://cdn1.appleinsider.com/13.09.27-A7_Transistor.jpg
And finaly, this is Exinos5 Octa core ( Note, while there's no mark of the GPU area, but just compare the ARM cores to other areas, GPU should be in the right or top-left side of the SoC )
http://kizumi.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hc0rbtc.jpg
compare all these.. the CPU side to GPU side.. and see how much GPU performance you get compared to the die area...
http://kizumi.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hc0rbtc.jpg
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king-james
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Better Z1 now available at T-Mobile US for only $528,- ~ €386,- 
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]able_on_tmobile_-news-7551.php
like.no.other |
karim128
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@Xajel
It is still unclear why nVidia used the companion core instead of big.Little, but that is definitely not because of die size: Cortex-A15 is more than four times as big as an A7 ( http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]architecture-power-at-isscc-13 ), in other words, they can put 4 Cortex-A7 cores instead of the companion A15, and end up with a smaller chip. The reason why they chose the companion core instead may be because they just reused the Tegra 4 CPU with a newer process and using big.LITTLE would have taken more time to implement. |
my ninja
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https://twitter.com/SaSAndroid/status/422727647831916544
evleaks confirmed the specs leaked..
http://www.androidsas.com/201[....]ius-is-xperia-z2-reliable.html
Mostly the same of what was already known..
If we could only get HiRes Audio + 128/256GB storage and not this queer 3GB of ram (2 or 4, 3 is just weird, and stopgapish..) Id be happy... But this K1 is looking nice from the bench, im sure the denver version will be even better... Qualcomm needs to get off their bums asap, the 805 will be popular but behind the times no doubt... wb.LTE-A support is just a module away now...
@karim, not entirely.. they worked on Denver instead.
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Wintermute
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What is High-Res audio? And my word: 256 GB storage? I know NAND is dropping in price, but it's not that cheap yet. That phone would be ludicrously expensive, plus I'm not honestly sure what I would even do with all that storage. I'd take 128, as long as it wasn't too overpriced, but to be honest, with cloud storage getting so much better and easier these days, I've kind of stopped caring that much about a lot of local storage. Thanks to Google Play Music, Drive, Netflix, etc., I've still got 56 GB free on my Z Ultra. Although I guess now that I think about it, not everybody has unlimited data, so I can sort of see your point. |
jonfensu
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Sony 'Sirius' is the Xperia Z2 (C770x), reliable source confirmed it
Xperia Z2, aka 'Sirius' leaked. Possible MWC debut
Well, this time you don't have to take this information as a pinch of salt because this information comes out from a very reliable source, so we should get ready for the Sony Xperia Z2 at the MWC 2014
Is it reliable? 
[ This Message was edited by: jonfensu on 2014-01-13 23:53 ] |
DACHA
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Good news! The Z1 replacement will be the first Sony global phone. It was about time! One to rule them all  |
vivftp
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On 2014-01-14 02:44:27, DACHA wrote:
Good news! The Z1 replacement will be the first Sony global phone. It was about time! One to rule them all
lol, I think we've been hearing about this "global phone" since the rumors of the Z were circulating. Hope it eventually comes true.
BTW, here's some info by zomg:
Now I know why the Z1s is so cheap on T-Mobile!
Xperia "Sirius"/Z2(?) is due out in late June in the US, will go head to head with GS5 on T-Mobile, VZW and Sprint. Sony and AT&T are still bitching at each other for some reason.
Spec rundown, take it with much salt for now:
5.2" 1080p/1440p IPS
4GB RAM
S805 @ 2.5GHz
32GB
MicroSD
20MP camera
~3500mAh battery
Hoping to get confirmation on these soon, and that it will be the only flagship from them for 2014.
Interesting info. He also hinted that a future phone might have a 1/2" camera sensor rather than 1/2.3" so I wonder if that will make it into Z2. 4GB of RAM is certainly nice. I do wonder if they'll have wireless charging tech in it as that was a rumored feature Sony was to use this year. Now late June is the timeframe zomg gave for Z2 at least in the USA. I wonder if that holds true for the global release too because if that is accurate, then I have to wonder if the Z2 and Z Ultra successor wil launch together. |
maloqs
Joined: Feb 14, 2013
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lol xperia Z2 at MWC is impossible...
also gsmarena always give wrong rumours
worst possible specs for Xperia z2(to prevent false hope happens ) :
-5 inch FHD 1080p display
-snapdragon 805
-2gb ram
-32gb
-improved camera with no OIS,120fps and 60fps recording, front camera still the same....
-3200mah battery
-heavier, no wireless charging
-bezels... zzz
-waterproof, still with hell a lot of flaps
If this is true....
typical biased comments happen:Disappointing...Samsung is better, Sony is stupid, No more Sony phones ...at least it is better than z1....
      (a lot of negative emotion happens)
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McKinley
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The stupid bezel comment is so tiresome.
Phones by Nokia are far worse.
 GH688, T28, T39 and T68 Nokia 6110, 8110, 8850, 6230, N82 Moto V525 and RAZR V3 Samsung T100, S300 and E700  T68, T610, Z600, T630, K700, S700, V800, K750, S600, M600, S500, P1i, K850, X1 X10, Vivaz |
supercoolman
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On 2014-01-14 04:48:28, McKinley wrote:
The stupid bezel comment is so tiresome.
Phones by Nokia are far worse.
some people just love humps more than bezel? |
itsjustJOH
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I don't feel it. I think it's still pretty early for a flagship. And if zomg is right, the only flagship for 2014.
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Posted: 2014-01-13 17:29
GH688, T28, T39 and T68
T68, T610, Z600, T630, K700, S700, V800, K750, S600, M600, S500, P1i, K850, X1 X10, Vivaz
